Tier gear is back into lfr!!

[Tharkkun]

I can honestly say that the shitty LFR gear rewards are the main reason why I didn't bother with LFR in WoD. So, them returning Tier gear to Legion LFR means I'll be doing it a lot more than I am now.

Exactly. It took away any incentive to run LFR. When people would rather do shitty Tanaan Jungle for baleful items rather than run LFR then there's a problem.

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Jesus christ... could they at least make the LFR tier have their own set bonuses or not activate the N/H/M tier bonuses? I'd hate to feel forced to go get them just to get the set bonuses.

If you need your set bonuses so badly why doesn't your entire guild queue for LFR and stomp through it for your gear? That's what we did for a few resets to cap our valor. You're bottom feeding to begin with so why not make it even easier.

[Glorious Leader]

A similar thing can be said about LFR players not needing the tier pieces.

It takes quite a perverse mind to consider it a punishment for non lfr raisers.

[anon5123]

I don't understand why poeple think Tier gear in LFR is good, it trivializes dungeons etc

Dungeon gear trivializes dungeons.

I played WoD at launch, and heroics were hard at 610-615 ilvl, but quite easy at 630-635 ilvl.

[RevanTN]

Eh, they should double down and shy away more from LFR. Not make it mandatory for everyone to run it..

[Dhrizzle]

It takes quite a perverse mind to consider it a punishment for non lfr raisers.

Equally perverse seeing non-tier pieces as a punishment for LFRaiders.

[A dot Ham]

WoD proved that going back to any sort of semblance to original WoW does not incentivize players to "rise to the challenge" it only encourages them not to play at all.

Meaning that just because normal-mythic awarded decent trinkets, worthwhile set bonuses, and better looking gear there wasn't an increase in the participation of that content.

[Glorious Leader]

Equally perverse seeing non-tier pieces as a punishment for LFRaiders.

Hardly. In the one case their removal was a loss for those lfr players
One can understand why it felt like a punishment. Tier is only being added back into lfr now. Nobody is at a loss. It would take a very sick mind to view this as a loss.

[Jtbrig7390]

Eh, they should double down and shy away more from LFR. Not make it mandatory for everyone to run it..

First off LFR is the reason you even get raiding content.

Second: Nothing in this game is mandatory, you sound like a drug addict who says he needs another fix.

[A dot Ham]

Hardly. In the one case their removal was a loss for those lfr players
One can understand why it felt like a punishment. Tier is only being added back into lfr now. Nobody is at a loss. It would take a very sick mind to view this as a loss.

I would definitely define the narcissistic codependent mindset of all elitist butterflies as "sick".

[Jtbrig7390]

Equally perverse seeing non-tier pieces as a punishment for LFRaiders.

Kinda happens when you have A and then A gets removed because a small minority can't control there egos.

Removing gear from LFR didn't benfit it, It punished those who do LFR because a small few can't control themselves.

[Dhrizzle]

Hardly. In the one case their removal was a loss for those lfr players
One can understand why it felt like a punishment. Tier is only being added back into lfr now. Nobody is at a loss. It would take a very sick mind to view this as a loss.

In both cases there is no punishment or loss, just people who feel their rewards are less valuable than they would like.

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Kinda happens when you have A and then A gets removed because a small minority can't control there egos.

Removing gear from LFR didn't benfit it, It punished those who do LFR because a small few can't control themselves.

There's no punishment involved, it's just as perverse feeling punished getting no tier in LFR as it is feeling punished because tier isn't exclusive to normal+

[Glorious Leader]

In both cases there is no punishment or loss, just people who feel their rewards are less valuable than they would like.

Pray tell how is mythic gear any less valuable now that lfr awards tier?

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In both cases there is no punishment or loss, just people who feel their rewards are less valuable than they would like.

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There's no punishment involved, it's just as perverse feeling punished getting no tier in LFR as it is feeling punished because tier isn't exclusive to normal+

Not at all. Nothing has been then away from mythic. Lfr had tier removed. Their is obviously a difference.

[Jtbrig7390]

There's no punishment involved, it's just as perverse feeling punished getting no tier in LFR as it is feeling punished because tier isn't exclusive to normal+

Once again tier was there and a small few bitched. Due to them bitching it was removed. That punish's those who just do LFR.

Nothing was removed from NM+ LFR was singled out due to a small forum few who have ego issues.

[druenos]

And tier set bonus' are incredibly powerful... Sorry, but LFR doesn't need and shouldn't get tier gear

So only little snowflakes like yourself deserve tier sets then? Bloody elitists!

[Eapoe]

Once again tier was there and a small few bitched. Due to them bitching it was removed. That punish's those who just do LFR.

Nothing was removed from NM+ LFR was singled out due to a small form few who have ego issues.

Why was tier removed from a small group of people complaining? Couldn't it be just as likely that Blizzard tried something new by making LFR it's own thing with its own rewards, different appearances, and different bonuses? Then they decided they didn't want to work on that individuality anymore and focus on just recoloring in place gear and keep the same bonuses. I mean, as much as people want to gloss over the fact that LFR had tier in WoD, it was there and it wasn't as powerful and felt static.
If they want to place the same tier in LFR in Legion, that's fine, but don't act like LFR had no rewards and this is some huge change for LFR players. They will still be weaker ilvl than higher difficulties and just find something new to complain about, like how they want the same mounts from mythic, just recolored.

[Dhrizzle]

Pray tell how is mythic gear any less valuable now that lfr awards tier?

Not at all. Nothing has been then away from mythic. Lfr had tier removed. Their is obviously a difference.

Part of the appeal of raiding is exclusivity in gear, tier pieces in casual orientated content diminish the perceived reward of normal+ raiding.

By your argument LFR could offer the same ilvl rewards as Mythic and it would be fine, because nothing would be taken from Mythic dungeons.

Once again tier was there and a small few bitched. Due to them bitching it was removed. That punish's those who just do LFR.

Nothing was removed from NM+ LFR was singled out due to a small forum few who have ego issues.

And now it's being put back due to a small number of people bitching because their ego issues won't let them do LFR without getting special rewards.

Or it's just Blizz experimenting trying to see what reward structure is satisfying for the largest number of players.

[Jtbrig7390]

And now it's being put back due to a small number of people bitching because their ego issues won't let them do LFR without getting special rewards.

Or it's just Blizz experimenting trying to see what reward structure is satisfying for the largest number of players.

No its being put back because surprise surprise lissening to the small few bitching wasn't a good idea.

Thanks to the reward setup for LFR in WOD they dam near killed LFR. Now I know some of you would love it if LFR died and went away. Just remember if LFR go's so does raiding.

Also while not all 5 million + who left WOD was because of LFR I am sure for some it was a reason and I bet you that % isn't small. Blizzard has the data and clearly they see the choice they made was bad.

[gcsmith]

So only little snowflakes like yourself deserve tier sets then? Bloody elitists!

Yeah, normal and above, so special...

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No its being put back because surprise surprise lissening to the small few bitching wasn't a good idea.

Thanks to the reward setup for LFR in WOD they dam near killed LFR. Now I know some of you would love it if LFR died and went away. Just remember if LFR go's so does raiding.

Also while not all 5 million + who left WOD was because of LFR I am sure for some it was a reason and I bet you that % isn't small. Blizzard has the data and clearly they see the choice they made was bad.

We had raiding for nearly 3 whole expansions, plus the core game, without LFR, we don't need LFR to have raiding. Thats just something they said to try an placate those who don't like it.

And people left because of LFR? What so they left 2 months earlier than they did because they didn't get tier sets? What would they do once they completed their sets? Leave anyway because there was nothing to do in WOD except raid, and like people like you keep saying, LFRers don't go and do normal+

[Polybius]

First off LFR is the reason you even get raiding content.

Second: Nothing in this game is mandatory, you sound like a drug addict who says he needs another fix.

No. Raid content is the reason you get LFR.

Raiding can survive without LFR, just as it has before LFR's inception.

[Jtbrig7390]

We had raiding for nearly 3 whole expansions, plus the core game, without LFR, we don't need LFR to have raiding. Thats just something they said to try an placate those who don't like it.

Its almost like things change and shareholders don't want a massive budget going into something 1% will see because the return is shit.

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No. Raid content is the reason you get LFR.

Raiding can survive without LFR, just as it has before LFR's inception.

Ummmmm blizzard disagree's.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/23/b...g-progression/

The existence of LFR justifies the creation of more raid content for casual and hardcore players alike.

If this stance has changed then LFR wouldn't be here nore would it be going back to the MOP model.