Do you think nuking Japan was a necessary evil?

[Kalis]

The WTC was an unprovoked attack...

Not entirely accurate, the WTC was in retaliation for US interference in the Middle East. Whether or not it was a justified attack is another matter entirely, but there was certainly provocation.

[Chrysia]

This as well. They started it. We had a way to finish it without losing 1 more US soldier.

The very definition of a no-brainer decision.

A land invasion was tactically unnecessary, given hindsight and the full range of intel. Whether US command had the full range of intel available at the time of the decision to use the bombs is somewhat unclear, but at the time of the bombings a naval blockade would have been fully feasible with almost zero risk to our navy. The Japanese Navy had been devastated, they had no real ability to project force beyond the home islands.

[Video Games]

Uh yes? It wasn't that Japan wanted the war, the emperor and military did and were lying to the people about winning in China. Blame those retards for getting so power hungry as to enter a world war. We needed to stop them after them annexing korea and trying to annex china and the countries to the south.

[Auxora]

A better question than was it neccessary (it was more of a decision than neccessary), is did doing it save vast numbers of both Japanese and American lives? The answer to that is a pretty simple yes. Most estimates are around 160k US and over a million Japanese lives were saved by the war ending quickly, rather than a to the last man Okinawa or Stalingrad type battle across all of Japan which the Japanese were very committed to and would have happened otherwise. Keep in mind the US warned Japanese officials that they had a new city-destroying superweapon and would use it prior to dropping both bombs and the Japanese refused to surrender and believed the US was bluffing, until after the 2nd one was dropped and they realized they weren't.

As for the OP, I think he got his description of Obama's Asis trip off a Sean Hannity commentary apparently. The visit to Asia is to improve diplomatic relations there, not to declare our military might lol. Holy smokes there are a lot of incredibly impressionable and gullible far right conservatives that will gobble up and regurgitate anything Fox News tells them without any fact checking or critical thinking whatsoever. Same with them comparing Bernie Sanders policies to Venezuela, even though they aren't remotely similar policies or situations. If it fits in a 8 sentence radio blurb or bumper sticker, it must be true...

[Khadgar]

This as well. They started it. We had a way to finish it without losing 1 more US soldier.

The very definition of a no-brainer decision.

Exactly. If it came out a year later that the President of the United States had a weapon at his disposal that could've ended the war earlier and he decided not to use it, costing thousands of more lives of G.I.'s, at best he would've been ran out of town.

There's no way an American President responsible to his people could not have used this weapon.

[Dezerte]

I think it's the wrong question to ask. We can't predict what the outcome would have been otherwise, all we can do is learn from our mistakes and hope that a World War 3 never happens.

[Berengil]

Exactly. If it came out a year later that the President of the United States had at weapon at his disposal that could've ended the war earlier and he decided not to use it, costing thousands of more lives of G.I.'s, at best he would've been ran out of town.

There's no way an American President responsible to his people could not have used this weapon.

Frankly it would have been grounds to impeach Truman had he done so.

[Felya]

No, I don't believe it was necessary, but I also don't believe the scope of damage was understood. Basically, the mistake really wasn't dropping the bomb, but the estimates of the damage it would cause.

I think the bombing had less to do with WW2, but more of a prequel to the Cold War.

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I think it's the wrong question to ask. We can't predict what the outcome would have been otherwise, all we can do is learn from our mistakes and hope that a World War 3 never happens.

I think it prevented WW3. It's why the Cold War was cold...

[Dreknar20]

Whether or not it was a justified attack is another matter entirely

Only people that need to justify their actions are those committing it.

The ones being attacked arnt going to appreciate it either way.

[Theinquisition]

don't start no shit there won't be no shit.

Japan woke the sleeping giant with a sucker punch and got knocked out.

[Baltasar]

Nuking japan made em smart,look how far they are ahead of us on technology.

[Deleted]

"Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code
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Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping
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Any more question?

edit: It`s not from wikipedia or some noname website...https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...ism-definition

[nonameelf]

Uh yes? It wasn't that Japan wanted the war, the emperor and military did and were lying to the people about winning in China. Blame those retards for getting so power hungry as to enter a world war. We needed to stop them after them annexing korea and trying to annex china and the countries to the south.

The funny thing is the US is largely responsible for making Japan be on the world stage and their government in that time period. Japan had been an isolationist country until the US forced them to be open which lead to civil war in Japan. So, the US isn't exactly blameless in this.

[zealo]

Sure they do.
Because not even in WW2 people were prepared to use the dozens of poison gas they had.
Let that sink in for a moment..
The Nazi's were losing and even then they didn't use those weapons.

Much of the reason they didn't do this had to do with a similar reasoning as to m.a.d with nukes post WW2.

No one wanted to open that can of worms, cause if they did they knew the other side would respond in kind.

[Dreknar20]

"Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code
....
Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping
...."

Any more question?

edit: It`s not from wikipedia or some noname website...https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...ism-definition

that would make every war in history 'terrorism'

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So, the US isn't exactly blameless in this.

blameless for what?

Japan became a great power. But it was human ambition and competing interests in the Pacific Ocean that led to war

[Khadgar]

No, I don't believe it was necessary, but I also don't believe the scope of damage was understood. Basically, the mistake really wasn't dropping the bomb, but the estimates of the damage it would cause.

I think the bombing had less to do with WW2, but more of a prequel to the Cold War.

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I think it prevented WW3. It's why the Cold War was cold...

I disagree, the Americans would continue to "test" nuclear explosions in plain sight of the USSR and the point would still be made.

Granted maybe not to the full effect that it did by dropping them on cities but both sides would have still continued in the same cold war as they have in reality.

[nonameelf]

blameless for what?

Japan became a great power. But it was human ambition and competing interests in the Pacific Ocean that led to war

For forcing Japan to open up to the rest of the world.

[PickleballAce]

How many times are we going to have this thread?

[Deleted]

Really? I was kinda sure wars were fought on battlefields..ohh except the heroic Bombing of Dresden..or the even more heroic Nuke Japanese Civilians mission...It was purely and clearly terrorist attack, against unarmed civilian population...Hell yes, the Axis did as well, but it does not make acceptable from the Allies....

[Dreknar20]

Really? I was kinda sure wars were fought on battlefields..

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