Do you think nuking Japan was a necessary evil?

[Deleted]

No.. Using nukes are NEVER an option. Jesus fucking christ.

[Deleted]

There is no need for a US President to apologize. We won.

Absolutely.

Listening to a bunch of modern day pacifists cry about it means nothing.

Obama is a feckless and weak individual that is a complete embarrassment to the USA. The only people that respect him are share those same "qualities".

No.. Using nukes are NEVER an option. Jesus fucking christ.

Guess you are wrong - sure was an option in WW2, and one that was taken.

[Daymanmb]

Absolutely.

Listening to a bunch of modern day pacifists cry about it means nothing.

Obama is a feckless and weak individual that is a complete embarrassment to the USA. The only people that respect him are share those same "qualities".

You went all sorts of crazy here, homie lol...
Is Obama a pussy for not nuking something?
Is it pacifism to not want generations of peoples dying from ionizing radiation causing cancer and birth defects?

[Hexian]

No.. Using nukes are NEVER an option. Jesus fucking christ.

Those are the best hindsight glasses I have ever seen! So shiny!

[Dreknar20]

That is not how you make a good peace agreement.

The end result of Versailles was still more or less terms dictated soley by the Allied powers.

[Flatspriest]

Um, the war doesn't end until both sides agree to peace. Just because they sued for peace doesn't mean the war is over, the US had to agree to peace.

Yet it was the Japanese who were committing surprise attacks against the US at the same time they were "suing for peace". If they really wanted peace, they would have stopped attacking the US in the first place.

[Daymanmb]

Those are the best hindsight glasses I have ever seen! So shiny!

They tell the future as well. And if we didnt understand it, why the fuck did we expose it to major cities with high civilian populations?

[Deleted]

Those are the best hindsight glasses I have ever seen! So shiny!

Yea. Cause you need hindsight glasses to see what nukes does

[Deleted]

Yes. The potential loss of life and damage of invading Japan was weighted to be greater than dropping atomic bombs. It unilaterally ended Japanese aggression toward the US- their principle enemy in the PTO.

There is no need for a US President to apologize. We won.

Except there were multiple high ranking officials of the USA saying the bombs were unnecessary. Because Japan was about to surrender anyway.

I'm not saying it was evil or anything. It was a war afterall. But it wasn't done to save lives, but to see what these bombs can do.

And lets not forget that Hiroshima was the 7th largest civilian city in Japan. Pearl Harbour was a military base. Theres a significant difference!

This is a good point. Let's also not forget the Japanese never targeted Hospitals nearby.

[Daymanmb]

The end result of Versailles was still more or less terms dictated soley by the Allied powers.

Ill break it down simply for you.

Germany post WW1

Germany post WW2

[Dreknar20]

That is not how you make a good peace agreement.

saying unconditional surrender is bad?

The only problem with Versailles was it was too middle ground, all the postering between traditional power politics and America wanting to interject idealism into geopolitics.

Versailles was either too harsh or not harsh enough to be effective.

[Teebone]

You might like alternate history hub on youtube. Anywho, I feel the same as I do about Chernobyl: it had to happen sometime. Man needed to see with his own eyes the horrors of the atomic age. Its scars tempered with his actions reason and possibly preventing a recklessly started nuclear war.

[Forogil]

Peace is attained with nukes, thats the only way apparently. Bombing major cities with nuclear weapons is the only way to win a war. Probably why we havent won one since..

Germany surrendered without a single nuke - and US hasn't really be attacked after WWII by proper states.
S. Korea, Taiwan, Kuwait, and Israel are still free countries that have been defended by the US after WWII.
In smaller news US won the war in Grenada.

[Daymanmb]

This is a good point. Let's also not forget the Japanese never targeted Hospitals nearby.

The Japanese military is not even remotely the same as Japanese civilians, thats a false comparison.

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Germany surrendered without a single nuke - and US hasn't really be attacked after WWII by proper states.
S. Korea, Taiwan, Kuwait, and Israel are still free countries that have been defended by the US after WWII.
In smaller news US won the war in Grenada.

Thank you for agreeing with my sarcasm? I was being 100% sarcastic in that post and you just proved my point. We didnt need nukes in any of the wars weve won since, why then? The answer to this thread is still a resounding NO.

[Vurdah]

9/11 was an attack that would draw action from the US regardless if cvilians were involved.............not sure what your trying to prove.

And whether you deem loss as a "justified" part of war dsnt change that its still loss and people will be angry/sad.

No you're making it out like it was okay to bomb civilians but I'm sure you were pissed when a hand full of Muslims did something similar but on a much smaller scale. War is war but outright killing civilians is wrong no matter how you slice it considering they were in the process of surrendering. There was no other reason for it other than for us to flex our military power.

[Hexian]

Yea. Cause you need hindsight glasses to see what nukes does

But knowing the outcome isnt? Crazy... What else should we have done different there Nostradamus?

[Teebone]

There was no other reason for it other than for us to flex our military power.

Not directly.

[Daymanmb]

But knowing the outcome isnt? Crazy... What else should we have done different there Nostradamus?

We could have been a little bit more fucking scientific about it and tested it before exposing it to large Japanese cities, with high civilian populations.. we could have demonstrated its enormity off-shore as a show of its power, afteral we did have at least another locked and loaded..

[Forogil]

was either too harsh or not harsh enough to be effective.

Too harsh economically - and without an imminent threat that made it effective, since it was half a year after the fighting stopped. In contrast at the end of WWII the axis forces surrendered unconditionally when they surrendered.

[Hexian]

Germany surrendered without a single nuke - and US hasn't really be attacked after WWII by proper states.
S. Korea, Taiwan, Kuwait, and Israel are still free countries that have been defended by the US after WWII.
In smaller news US won the war in Grenada.

Germany was also bombed to hell and back and was completely occupied by ground forces.