[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[Yvaelle]

I think it's the Clinton shills jerk each other off thread. Other people just cruise by once in awhile to laugh at you folks or wander in mistakenly thinking this thread may actually have information about Bernie.

^ I check in once every 30 pages or so to see whether its the Republicans bashing Clinton, or the Clinton fans circle jerking.

[Theodarzna]

^ I check in once every 30 pages or so to see whether its the Republicans bashing Clinton, or the Clinton fans circle jerking.

I think it is time that a Clinton megathread get started so we have a place to just talk about Bernie Sanders and bash Clinton. This forums logic is fucking out of this world.

[BrerBear]

Oh Bill, you horndog.



That's not proper behavior for a potential First Lady now is it?

His behavior seems pretty normal for when someone pulls your face to you and kisses it. You know that's not his hand on her back, right? Unless Bill is painting his nails now.

[hrugner]

^ I check in once every 30 pages or so to see whether its the Republicans bashing Clinton, or the Clinton fans circle jerking.

I forgot to mention the clinton bashing, my bad. It looks more like manufactured divisiveness than an actual discussion at any rate.

[Matchles]

I think it is time that a Clinton megathread get started so we have a place to just talk about Bernie Sanders and bash Clinton. This forums logic is fucking out of this world.

Where does it say you have to only post positive things about Sanders? This is the thread for discussing the candidate is it not? Pointing out the guy's hypocrisy and ignorance on certain issues is just as on topic as anything else on here.

[Dextroden]

So, does that make you shills and sheep for Bernie? I mean, you only post positive things and ignore anything negative.

I'm curious because you all seem bothered that people do for their candidate the very same thing for yours. It's funny to watch people complain about circle jerks while circle jerking.

[Deleted]

So, does that make you shills and sheep for Bernie?

Nah, just proponents of the ideals of the actually civilized world. In other words, democratic socialist ideals.

[Dextroden]

Nah, just proponents of the ideals of the actually civilized world. In other words, democratic socialist ideals.

So, paid posters and blind followers. Got it.

[Deleted]

So, paid posters and blind followers. Got it.

Yeah, let me educate you a bit here; there's only one candidate whose side has actually been proven to have paid people to fuck with forums and social media, and that's Hillary Clinton. Also, it's Hillary Clinton whose cultists say "I'm with her", which is what those so-called "blind followers" say.

So, basically, you just mentioned two of the things that can be actually proven are being done on the Hillary side. Well done.

[hrugner]

So, does that make you shills and sheep for Bernie? I mean, you only post positive things and ignore anything negative.

I'm curious because you all seem bothered that people do for their candidate the very same thing for yours. It's funny to watch people complain about circle jerks while circle jerking.

Maybe? I don't know, I'm not camped in the Clinton thread talking about how awful she is in a very non-specific manner so I'm not sure the comparison survives scrutiny.

I mean, the hypothetical Clinton thread of course as none have gotten off the ground.

[Dextroden]

Yeah, let me educate you a bit here; there's only one candidate whose side has actually been proven to have paid people to fuck with forums and social media, and that's Hillary Clinton. Also, it's Hillary Clinton whose cultists say "I'm with her", which is what those so-called "blind followers" say.

So, basically, you just mentioned two of the things that can be actually proven are being done on the Hillary side. Well done.

I'm pretty sure he had paid for his own. But the warcry of Bernie or Bust and use of Shillary points to blind fanatacism.

You did zero to disprove this applies to Bernie. So, good job.

[Forogil]

His behavior seems pretty normal for when someone pulls your face to you and kisses it. You know that's not his hand on her back, right? Unless Bill is painting his nails now.

Well, Bill Clinton was called "potential First Lady" by the poster - perhaps he is starting to dress the part?

[Dextroden]

Maybe? I don't know, I'm not camped in the Clinton thread talking about how awful she is in a very non-specific manner so I'm not sure the comparison survives scrutiny.

I mean, the hypothetical Clinton thread of course as none have gotten off the ground.

It has nothing to do with the thread. It has everything to do with people wringing their hands over ignoring negatives while going on about how everything Bernie says and does is good. And crying about mudslinging while trying to do the same with Hillary.

But thank you for being oblivious.

[hrugner]

It has nothing to do with the thread. It has everything to do with people wringing their hands over ignoring negatives while going on about how everything Bernie says and does is good. And crying about mudslinging while trying to do the same with Hillary.

But thank you for being oblivious.

I can see why you'd like to frame the complaint that way. But I can assure you my intent isn't what you've come to believe it to be. I have criticized Bernie in this thread, and probably will in the future. He's a mediocre candidate but I think he's the best we've got right now. More specifically, his lack of foreign policy experience is terrifying, but since I consider Hillary's foreign policy to have been a series of failures, and Trumps interaction with foreign countries has been hostile subversion for his benefit throughout his career, someone whose merely inexperienced looks good by comparison. He's also a Pacifist, which is great, but he hasn't shown whether he believes that means that military force is never required, or that military force should only be used when it reduces the use of military force over time. Again, another foreign policy unknown, but compared to Clinton whose use of military force seems to be irregular and almost populist in character, and Trump whose military ideals are entirely populist in character throughout his career, again I'll go with the unknown.

Seriously, bring specific complaints as I'd love to look into them. Whinging on about how his fans are bad, his campaign is bad, he should have quit X months ago, and so on is just sort of weird. He isn't a flawless candidate so why is it so few people come in here talking about those flaws? What do you think the major short comings of a Sanders presidency would be compared to the short comings of the other potential candidates?

[Deleted]

You did zero to disprove this applies to Bernie. So, good job.

I don't need to disprove random bullshit some random person on a random forum pulls out of his ass. The onus is on you to prove your claim.

[Dextroden]

What do you think the major short comings of a Sanders presidency would be compared to the short comings of the other potential candidates?

He has no real ideas. Just promises, several of which I'm now done with.

Free college? Fantastic. How's that going to work? What colleges can you go to? What courses are you going to be able to take? For how long? What about housing, books, lab supplies and fees, etc. that aren't usually rolled into tution? What about failure and expulsion? What about the effects of more college degrees making people not suited for college hard to find work? Will college just turn into the new high school?

Fighting for women and equal rights? Oh, that one again. What exactly is missing, again? And what about the new breed of hostile activism forged in this era of witch hunting? (Bernie learned about the darkside of BLM directly.)

Legalizing marijuana. Fucking Yawn. I would love for it to be decriminalized and then we shut the fuck up about it. How many people use that as a boilerplate promise if they are elected? Ask Ron Paul. I'm tired of this promise. Especially since NO PRESIDENT OR ELECTED OFFICIAL IS GONNA MAKE THAT HAPPEN ALONE.

Corruption. Similar feelings here. Fantastic idea. Will it happen this time? How is he going to weed it out. I'm still waiting for the reason the people complaining about campaign funding to look at where their money comes from. And didn't straight lace Bernie fuck up in regards of taking too much money?

And you mentioned foreign policy yourself. You see how flaccid he's been in some debates? That has no business being or choosing ambassadors. Arrogance is a problem. But so is speaking softly at all times.

Why do I focus so hard on talking about Bernie? Because people are trying to sell him as a savior for us while, occasionally, mentioning he's not that great. None of them are that great. But in the pecking order of shit politicians, he comes in dead last for being nothing but empty promises and weak words.

You are free to vote for him, I'm never against that. I'm not telling Trump and Clinton voters that, either. I want him out because, in addition to being so unattractive, he and his supporters are truly blind to the shit they are setting up. If he did win, who's going to let any of his ideas or vetoes pass? The Democrats who he claims needs to be straightened out? The Republicans that will oppose him because Republican?

He's not just a poor leader in my eyes, but completely blind to the challenge he actually has to overcome. And I'm not talking about an impossible primary victory.

[BrerBear]

What do you think the major short comings of a Sanders presidency would be compared to the short comings of the other potential candidates?

Sanders has built his candidacy, and practically his entire legacy, on being a purist who paints issues as Us vs. Them.

He would be entering a national political system that is stacked against him, which would either force him into the same roles as the obstructionist Republicans who shut down the government if he can't get his way, or set himself up for massive disillusionment of his followers when he compromises. He has burned a lot of bridges.

Unrealistic expectations have been the hallmark of his campaign, and would doom his presidency.

[Wulfey]

Bernie's taxes raise $13-16 trillion over the next 10 years.
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...-Care-Plan.pdf

Bernie's health plan costs $32.0 trillion over the next 10 years.
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...-Care-Plan.pdf

His states plans are $16-20 trillion in the hole over the next 10 years. Bernie is a domestic policy candidate whose plans are disastrously in the hole. His whole candidacy is invalidated by his crap planning. There is nothing he can say, or any of you can say, that will change that his plans are terrible even in theory.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Bernie's taxes raise $13-16 trillion over the next 10 years.
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...-Care-Plan.pdf

Bernie's health plan costs $32.0 trillion over the next 10 years.
http://www.urban.org/sites/default/f...-Care-Plan.pdf

His states plans are $16-20 trillion in the hole over the next 10 years. Bernie is a domestic policy candidate whose plans are disastrously in the hole. His whole candidacy is invalidated by his crap planning. There is nothing he can say, or any of you can say, that will change that his plans are terrible even in theory.

It's funny when people pull numbers out of a study and pretend to know what they mean.

[derpkitteh]

it's so sickening watching clinton march in this memorial parade. someone with such a complete and total disregard for soldiers and so happy to recklessly and carelessly throw away soldiers lives to needlessly depose foreign leaders.