Is Europe lurching to the far right?

[Alydael]

That you criticised Clinton when Trump is clearly worse... that's all. Pretty obvious really.

Just because I criticized Clinton doesn't mean I support Trump.

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Weren´t you the first one to mention clinton in this thread?

No, she was on that chart/diagram which was the post I responded to. So the post I responded to was talking about Clinton, which is why I responded about Clinton. I never even mentioned Trump, which is why I was surprised that someone responded to me about Trump.

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Wether a party is right or left will depend on the country it's in and where it stands as compared to the parties of said country, which is why the right of X country is not the same as Y country, and which is also why far right parties have changed a lot since they came to life

Conservatism, the will to revoke policies, and extreme liberalism are characteristics by which are defined far right parties, but a party doesn't need to have all of them to be a far right party, there would be close to no far right party at all if that was the case

[Mayhem]

No, she was on that chart/diagram which was the post I responded to. So the post I responded to was talking about Clinton, which is why I responded about Clinton. I never even mentioned Trump, which is why I was surprised that someone responded to me about Trump.

Well it makes an odd picture if you´d rather critize clinton than trump just because their names are show up in a diagram.

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I just wish they would stop claiming to speak English, because whatever evil created y'all is not on us.

I´m more ok with y'all than the usage of of instead of have.

[Alydael]

Well it makes an odd picture if you´d rather critize clinton than trump just because their names are show up in a diagram.

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I´m more ok with y'all than the usage of of instead of have.

In general, I try to keep my posts short. I figure people are more likely to read a short post than a wall of text. Occasionally a rant slips out, but I am human after all.

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We have conservatives, they are the right, but we do not call the left wing liberals.

And conservative politics is not about keeping the present exactly the same as the past, thinking that is the case displays a complete and utter ignorance of politics.

You are right on target with that. I think most people view conservatives as the media portrays them, which is why you have that disconnect. Ask someone to describe a conservative and chances are, you will get an explanation that has nothing to do with conservative values.

[Kalis]

I´m more ok with y'all than the usage of of instead of have.

Of/have confusion is not an Americanism.

It is easy to mix up, as could've and could of are pronounced the same - similarly I used one instead of won earlier, because I was not really thinking when typing.

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You are right on target with that. I think most people view conservatives as the media portrays them, which is why you have that disconnect. Ask someone to describe a conservative and chances are, you will get an explanation that has nothing to do with conservative values.

A lot comes from the mxing up of political party policies with political philosophies, e.g. on these forums you have people claiming that denial of man made climate change is a conservative idea, but that is actually a US Republican Party thing and nothing to do with conservative political philosophy at all.

[DJ117]

What terrorist acts?
You mean the one committed here by people that were born here because of a war that the US started?
Yeah, they totally brought this on themselves
No, sorry, they are going to lose.
Extremism will never become the majority.
No, it's just far right populism that is called that way.
You can make up stuff all you want, but we have a right and left party working together in our government.

I hope that a culture enriching Muslim immigrant will enrich your behind. Yeah, apparently some of them prefer boys.

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[Caliph]

America, and Europe are always for freedom and rights for themselves but never for others. that's just historical fact. The people who aren't the right profile will be looked down upon leading to the right wing explosion. the world as it is with all its problems was built by America and Europe. the chickens are coming home to roost.

[taliey]

MMOC should ask itself if its lurching to the far right.

[Alydael]

Of/have confusion is not an Americanism.

It is easy to mix up, as could've and could of are pronounced the same - similarly I used one instead of won earlier, because I was not really thinking when typing.

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A lot comes from the mxing up of political party policies with political philosophies, e.g. on these forums you have people claiming that denial of man made climate change is a conservative idea, but that is actually a US Republican Party thing and nothing to do with conservative political philosophy at all.

I agree, I am sure the same thing happens to Libs and Dems since they are always grouped together. It is also laziness though. If you are going to call someone a conservative or a liberal, at least you should know what those terms actually mean, instead of what some reporter on the local news told you.

[Kalis]

America, and Europe are always for freedom and rights for themselves but never for others.

That is a step up from the rest of the world though, where freedoms and rights have traditionally not even been for the people.

[Alydael]

America, and Europe are always for freedom and rights for themselves but never for others. that's just historical fact. The people who aren't the right profile will be looked down upon leading to the right wing explosion. the world as it is with all its problems was built by America and Europe. the chickens are coming home to roost.

Couldn't disagree more. America and europe have freed many peoples and territories that were under their "control." They could have just kept them under control, but decided not to. Let's not forget that America freed all of western europe from nazi control in WW2 as well as China and all those islands under Japanese control.

So I guess by saying that the "chickens are coming home to roost," you mean that we shouldn't have freed those countries or that now that we did free them, we have to pay some price (besides all of our soldiers that died in the act of freeing them)? Really curious as to what you actually mean.

[Pangean]

Just because I criticized Clinton doesn't mean I support Trump.

Do you support Trump?

[Betelgeuse]

Yes. I started with Stalin and his right wing party. After that Russian goverment has influenced the people in Europe and soon all they have is communism and all the other right-wing thingies.

Umm, I'm not sure you know your right from your left in this case. The extreme left would be Communism/Socialism, somehow the extreme right is considered Fascism, although both are totalitarian governments who reign supreme by killing any opposition, rewriting events to suit the government and persecuting scapegoats. Essentially they are the same thing.

[Forogil]

I don't quite understand why people tend to associate far right with nationalism. Far right simply means a very strong focus on free market with little to no control over corporations and such, it doesn't have to feature nationalism.

True. What we see is populism and nationalism (in terms of being against migrants, trade, etc and/or in favor of putting your own nation first).
That is a common them for many parties in the EU, Russia under Putin, the US (with both Trump and Sanders).

Historically nationalism wasn't a "right-wing" concept, and the modern "far right" are normally parties that have many fairly centre policies combined with extreme nationalism, but "far centre" has never caught on.

[Skaiz]

Here is a suggestion. When your nation is in the political center or a tad left leaning. Don't completely go off the rails and attempt to be the progressive superhero of the world. It's almost like the people are responding to the threat that the leaders have created. Don't know why it's still a shock or even a question that people are hunkering back down into a nationalistic view.

[Bartumus22]

Over some Muslims fleeing genocide. You might get some "Europeans" with loud voices but the same way that I do not want them to think Donald Trump speaks for all of America is the same way I am sure they do not want these loud voices to speak for them.

Every country has bigots and does not like change. There are legitimate concerns with Muslim culture and how they view women's rights and the role of religion in government but that is a constructive discussion that can be had.

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