Why do people ignore normal raid difficulty?

[Ealyssa]

I liked flex better.

3bosses you can kill in less than an hour. Do another wing another time.

Normal is just another real raid and made me hate pugging with sitting more time waiting in group to replace ppl/fill group/... than actually killing stuff.
Just the same as heroic raid pugging, but with people with fewer gear or skills...

Actually this is the biggest reason a lot of people ignore them, many people can't play the game a couple of hours in a row. Stuff like mythic dungeons they can do on the other hand. By the time the group is formed for normal mode HFC, they've already cleared the dungeon.

This. Flex was awesome for alts. NM is the old MoP "flex" but with way less flexibility.

I liked being able to choose which wing I want to do and when. Can't understand why blizzard killed this feature.

[Dilbon]

Do people need a guide on how to use the LFG feature? Because I would be happy to put one together. If that isn't it. What is the appeal of LFR over normal mode, I would like to know, because I don't get it. Is it simply that the group is formed for you?

LFR: You queue -> after a while you're in a group
LFG: You apply -> your application is denied or ignored

[Deleted]

FLex wings was good but there's no need for flex wings in HFC. It already functions as 3 raids in one: lower floor with 6 bosses, upper floor with 5 bosses and top floor with 2.

[Steelangel]

Normal isn't any such thing and Heroic for many is something to get through to try Mythic. Which leaves the two middle difficulties in a bad spot.

Mythic is only an option if your guild has 20 people who log in and are good enough players. If your guild has a few duds, Heroic is "good enough".

There does exist a population of raiders who actually raid with their friends and family, so the answer isn't "get a better guild" or "move to a high pop server and faction switch to get better players".

[psyquest]

people dont want to do normal and above for the same old crappy reasons:

reason 1: I canot be bothered with a guild

->Either you are a jerk (socially inept), or so bad at the game that you dont want to join a guild or cannot join and stay in a guild.
->You think playing an mmo as a single player game is the way to go or suits you: stick to lfr and crappy rewards.

reason 2: I cannot raid because I dont have set times or enough time.
->almost all those that say they dont have the time, spend more time in queues and wiping tjan quickly cleaning with a group of friends.
->dont have set times: either you truly dont have the time because of work or you are lying. If truly you dont have the time because of work, you have an unhealthy job with funny hours and should look into changing jobs. If for whatever reasons you cant change jobs and get more humane working hours, then really an mmo is the last thing you should be playing. Otherwise do play, but dont complain for unaccessible content and stick to solo stuff.

reason 3: I have already seen the end game, not interested in more:
-> this is blizzards fault, they should have never put lfr.

[l33t]

I see threads all the time that say "I like LFR, but I wish it was harder and more rewarding"

Do they not know normal mode exists? The only difference between LFR and Normal Raiding is that in Normal you have to form the group yourself, it's not done for you.

Do people need a guide on how to use the LFG feature? Because I would be happy to put one together. If that isn't it. What is the appeal of LFR over normal mode, I would like to know, because I don't get it. Is it simply that the group is formed for you?

But that simply isn't true. LFR has no oneshot mechanics. Normal does. LFR can be single healed and single tanked. Normal doesn't (we aren't talking about wild overgearing). LFr has little to no dps requirements. Normal has, a lot, because that is a real raiding after all.

And you forget about main thing why those people prefer lfr over real raiding: they do not want to bother with gathering group. So, with their question, they actually mean: "If only we had another difficulty of LFR, but with better loot". Which has nothing to do with normal.

[MoanaLisa]

reason 1: I canot be bothered with a guild

->Either you are a jerk (socially inept), or so bad at the game that you dont want to join a guild or cannot join and stay in a guild.
->You think playing an mmo as a single player game is the way to go or suits you: stick to lfr and crappy rewards.

reason 2: I cannot raid because I dont have set times or enough time.
->almost all those that say they dont have the time, spend more time in queues and wiping tjan quickly cleaning with a group of friends.
->dont have set times: either you truly dont have the time because of work or you are lying. If truly you dont have the time because of work, you have an unhealthy job with funny hours and should look into changing jobs. If for whatever reasons you cant change jobs and get more humane working hours, then really an mmo is the last thing you should be playing. Otherwise do play, but dont complain for unaccessible content and stick to solo stuff.

reason 3: I have already seen the end game, not interested in more:
-> this is blizzards fault, they should have never put lfr.

So #1, players should stick to LFR and lesser rewards. And #3, LFR should never have been put in, never mind that everything we know about it's audience suggests they aren't interested in organized raiding and many never were.

Reason 2, you recommend that people change jobs so they can raid. Which is in keeping with the rest of your post in that it's a mindset that summarizes a bunch of stuff, none of which much makes a lot of sense, is insulting or puts the game ahead of real life.

[Venziir]

I dont see that many ppl say they want lfr to be harder? But yeah you cant really have more than half the raid afk in normal. LFR also has determination, so by 10 stacks most grps should be able to complete it

Funny enough, the ones who want LFR to be harder, are the ones who aren't doing LFR, but raids at a higher difficulty.

[cFortyfive]

I see threads all the time that say "I like LFR, but I wish it was harder and more rewarding"

A mix out of people being not particularly smart, quite greedy, lacking social skills, really bad at the game and on top of that too lazy to push a button more often than every 5 seconds or not willing to turn off the latest dogshit twitch stream or episode of dancing with the stars while eating fatty foods.

I dont see that many ppl say they want lfr to be harder?

At least on this platform it certainly is the case - just head over to the Legion forum and read through the tier gear back in lfr or whatever the fuck that shit thread was called if you feel in mood for a dumpster dive.

[Heathe]

You are actually required to do LFR for the Valor it awards so you can upgrade your gear.

[psyquest]

So #1, players should stick to LFR and lesser rewards. And #3, LFR should never have been put in, never mind that everything we know about it's audience suggests they aren't interested in organized raiding and many never were.

Reason 2, you recommend that people change jobs so they can raid. Which is in keeping with the rest of your post in that it's a mindset that summarizes a bunch of stuff, none of which much makes a lot of sense, is insulting or puts the game ahead of real life.

This game is an mmo. MMO eat up your time. Only immature people fail to see that if your IRL does not allow you to dedicate a lot of time to a game such as an mmo, then your life is way better off doing something else.

Also in term of work, I strongly suggest to anyone that has a job that make your life to hectic and incapable of planning things for yourself, then you should reassess your life and priorities. Sometimes you have people very happy doing jobs because they have a calling: nurses, firefighters, doctors, policeman/woman. Although even if you are doing such jobs you should find time to pursue a passion.

I have listed the points most often brought forward by people that do not want to do anything but LFR. Yes, most are illogical. Very few people would do LFR if they were true mmo players. mmo are played in a group, whithin a guild and there are plenty of guilds that cater for every kind of schedule.

So yeah, for me the vast majority of people that do lfr, fit in either the category that cant be bothered playing an mmo like its meant to be or should not be playing in the first place from lack of time.

[jettzypher]

If truly you dont have the time because of work, you have an unhealthy job with funny hours and should look into changing jobs. If for whatever reasons you cant change jobs and get more humane working hours, then really an mmo is the last thing you should be playing.

I have seen a lot of bs from this forum over the years, but this is probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

[Deleted]

I see threads all the time that say "I like LFR, but I wish it was harder and more rewarding"

Do they not know normal mode exists? The only difference between LFR and Normal Raiding is that in Normal you have to form the group yourself, it's not done for you.

Do people need a guide on how to use the LFG feature? Because I would be happy to put one together. If that isn't it. What is the appeal of LFR over normal mode, I would like to know, because I don't get it. Is it simply that the group is formed for you?

If you're a casual raider, you can't really raid with a guild cause that would make raiding a job.. you have to show up on time and can't leave without an excuse before its over. Not to mention voice chat etc. (I prefer listening to music while raiding).

But thats not all. LFR has an automated loot system. You dont have to put up with ninjas or reserved items or raid leader playing favorites. If normal had enforced personal loot or looting options were up to each player, sure, it would be fun.

Oh and almost forgot.. random raids can take forever to form and sometimes you wait for 2 hours, they cant find enough healers or the leader just gives up and leaves.. and its just wasted time.

[Sengiratolom]

If you're a casual raider, you can't really raid with a guild cause that would make raiding a job.. you have to show up on time and can't leave without an excuse before its over. Not to mention voice chat etc. (I prefer listening to music while raiding).

But thats not all. LFR has an automated loot system. You dont have to put up with ninjas or reserved items or raid leader playing favorites. If normal had enforced personal loot or looting options were up to each player, sure, it would be fun.

Oh and almost forgot.. random raids can take forever to form and sometimes you wait for 2 hours, they cant find enough healers or the leader just gives up and leaves.. and its just wasted time.

When exactly are you raiding when you keep looking for it?
You can listen to music and voicechat, if the pc is the source of the music you can setup voicechat to mute your music whilst you press push to talk.
Personal loot also allows you to get the same exact item twice, without the ability to give it to someone else who needs it

[Deleted]

Personal loot also allows you to get the same exact item twice, without the ability to give it to someone else who needs it

Doesnt change the fact that people play favorites, ninja and reserve items in random groups. LFR is pretty stress free. Besides, who cares if you get items twice in a group with randoms? Personal loot might be bad in guild raids for that reason but with randoms you probably never going to see again, a fool proof anti-scam system is more important than dividing the loot optimally.

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I have seen a lot of bs from this forum over the years, but this is probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

Cant agree with you more. Besides its not always about having to work at these times. What if you just dont want to raid and want to do something else instead. Playing WoW shouldnt be a second job.

[Deleted]

Funny enough, the ones who want LFR to be harder, are the ones who aren't doing LFR, but raids at a higher difficulty.

I get the impression the ones that always shout "the game is getting casual" aren't the best players around.

[Taeldorian]

You press a button and you're in a group, 24/7/365. No BS. Not a hard concept to understand.

Can literally do the same thing with the premade group finder. Go into the premade group finder section>>>apply to every raid that suits what you're looking to do (I'd assume normal since we're talking about LFR) and wait to get accepted to at least one. It'll eventually happen and LFR ques are way longer than forming a normal group especially if the group is already filled or almost filled. How do people not realize this? It takes me an hour to get an LFR group (haven't stepped foot in it since doing it once in BRF) and about 5-10 minutes to get accepted to a group or to apply to the right group.

[DarthMonk79]

Can literally do the same thing with the premade group finder. Go into the premade group finder section>>>apply to every raid that suits what you're looking to do (I'd assume normal since we're talking about LFR) and wait to get accepted to at least one. It'll eventually happen and LFR ques are way longer than forming a normal group especially if the group is already filled or almost filled. How do people not realize this? It takes me an hour to get an LFR group (haven't stepped foot in it since doing it once in BRF) and about 5-10 minutes to get accepted to a group or to apply to the right group.

Wow... you have a lot better luck than I do... I'll apply for multiple ones and get denied, so apply for more, get denied some more, apply again, denied again. Then after spending well over 1hr applying and reapplying I say screw it and either pop LFR for the valor to upgrade my few raid pieces, kaz gear and baleful. Sits me at a fancy 711 ilvl and yet I still consistently get denied, even when all they're asking for is 695.

[Taeldorian]

Wow... you have a lot better luck than I do... I'll apply for multiple ones and get denied, so apply for more, get denied some more, apply again, denied again. Then after spending well over 1hr applying and reapplying I say screw it and either pop LFR for the valor to upgrade my few raid pieces, kaz gear and baleful. Sits me at a fancy 711 ilvl and yet I still consistently get denied, even when all they're asking for is 695.

You're at literally the same Ilvl I am. I'm not sure what you main but the difference might be that I'm a holy paladin. I forgot to mention in the post you quoted that it also comes down to what you play. For example at Ilvl 705 on my warrior I get denied constantly, same with my hunter and on my hpaladin I get accepted almost instantly. If you play well you also get to stay if they need to reform later down the line as well.

If you apply to groups that are practically full (I usually only do this) you'll more than likely get declined if you're 1. a dps and/or 2. a really common dps (hunter/mage). All of that is neglected if you have a 725-730+ Ilvl though.

[Deleted]

You're at literally

Why are you trying to say "I can find groups with LFG"? It's a flawed argument by inception. All they are saying is that LFR is easier to find a group with and that's by definition true even if you are a mythic raider that killed archimonde last summer.