Thread: Reinhardt

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    Reinhardt

    No, this isn't a complain post or anything close to it.

    I've been to the OW Beta and been playing for a considerable while. And one thing that struck me is that everytime there is a tank-related alarming situation, majority of players either pick Reinhardt or shout out this sentence: "Someone pick Reinhardt"

    Now, what boggles me is that it is not "Someone pick a tank". It is "Someone pick Reinhardt". Thinking about it, Reinhardt is way above the other tanks when it comes to preference of utility, and that kinda renders the other tanks mostly useless. And to me it looks like a major design flaw and gives me some sort of an unrest.

    I just wanted to know what other players' think about this and receive their opinion about him and other tanks in comparison. Thanks.

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    Depends on map and situation. Reinhardt is great for escorting payloads; Winston is far better at clearing objective points, but fails at escorting in comparison
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    I think Reinhardt is one of the best tanks, if and only if he has a healer. He suffers from durability issues when hes not being healed and even moreso when your team isn't killing enemies around him.

    People tend to not abuse his shield well enough to take out snipers or turrets and instead run off on their own, die and leave him stranded. He's not the best tank most of the time, except when he is.

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    Reindhart is a big target with a blocking shield, he's good for drawing attention and negating ultimates/damage but tends to stink without a Healer. People shout for people to be him because on an Attack/Payload he can tank the damage while people try to snipe others off the point.

    But, he doesn't negate the benefit of other "Tanks". Winston is very mobile, can follow enemies and his Ultimate can cause some good disruption if you know how to knock everybody around.

    D.Va is more of a Flanky Tank. Get in close, and her ultimate can scatter the area without threatening your team, allowing them to single out people and pick them off.

    Roadhogg is great for denying areas with his ultimate, and hooking specific people you want dead/people ultimating to stop them in their tracks.

    Zarya can hold people together for the bigger ultimates, and her shield timing can negate any and all damage inc for a few seconds, including all ultimates.
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    Reinhardt has the best defenses (imo) to support a party than the other tanks. The Robot chick I personally feel doesn't do much for your group, and 9/10 times the ones I see playing them are barely in the action just waiting to blow it up. The butcher character I feel is a selfish tank. Doesn't really offer any support to the party. King Kong can actually have as many uses imo as Reinhardt, but seems to never pan out very well. I don't see people using his shield to their benefit whenever it is dropped, granted I usually see them only drop it to benefit themselves. The Russian chick I hate, except on the brawl. Well, wouldn't say hate. I do like they have more ranged capabilties and can target someone with a shield, but the shield imo isn't as good as Reinhardts, and her special can be negated by Reinhardts shield since you can keep it up while people shoot everyone in the black hole. Unless a special gets used like Hanzos.

    Basically, for doing what I feel a tanks purpose is, Reinhardt does it the best and has the most "durable" shield however you want to interpret that. To make matters better, if your team is doing what they should and staying behind you, you don't get enemies running through the shield. What I hate more than anything though is Tracers that put a bomb on me and run away haha. Luckily they can't do that repeatedly in a short time.

    Oh, I also forgot to mention when needed I've been able to one shot basically everything that isn't a tank with my Charge, which makes taking out healers and pesky Meis super easy.
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    Personally I find Roadhog to be more useful than Rein. His self-heal is on a very short CD and that hook of his is devastating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Reinhardt has the best defenses (imo) to support a party than the other tanks. The Robot chick I personally feel doesn't do much for your group, and 9/10 times the ones I see playing them are barely in the action just waiting to blow it up. .

    Zarya is best used with another tank. She doesn't work too well as a solo tank, but couple her with ANOTHER like a Reinhardt or a Winston and she is amazing. You put a Barrier on the other tank and basically guarantee yourself a fully charged cannon.
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    I think Reinhardt is the most defensive tank, but he doesn't work in every situation.

    Winston is a great bruiser, he can get in and disrupt the backline and become a huge distraction - ignore him and he will kill you, focus him and he will leap around and delay you until his ultimate is up which is essentially an instant heal + temporal immortaility.

    D'va is great at countering Bastion and Torbjorn turrets along with area denial.

    Zarya is a really good offensive tank, at full capacity she becomes a beast. She also has great synergy with in-your-face ultimates such as Death Blsosom, Gengi's sword etc by shielding them and making them an unstoppable force of death.

    Roadhog, never played him, but he can single people out and flip the tide of battle in his team's favour.

    Moral of my post, Reinhardt is good, but very defensive, and relies on good team coordination more so than any other tank to utilise him fully I believe. No use having a big shield if no one follows you and takes out the enemy. Zarya has more flexibility for those spread out teams while dishing out good damage.

    Just my take on each tank. I am by no means an expert. But there are plenty of reasons why I would take another tank over Reinhardt. Zarya is my favourite tank and most played, but I can see a situation for every one.

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    Honestly, I haven't seen that many people demand or even mention Reinhardt. But, when it comes down to it, Reinhardt is the roadblock/push tank. Dva is a close second. Roadhog is basically an Offense with Pudge's Hook. (That is to say, a great offtank but will not actually stop a push in a way that couldn't also be done by basically any Offense standing behind Reinhardt.)

    If you're doing King of the Hill, yeah Reinhart isn't required nor necessarily more useful than someone who's good at another tank but if it's a pushcart or a capture point with a single normal entrance, he's nearly mandatory for the obvious reason. Like how going without a Lucio or Mercy is basically suicide on many maps.

    Then again, that's probably one of the reasons there's six slots per team instead of five. Sometimes you need an Offtank or an Offsupport or both Snipers. It gives room for people to pick those who can't perform the obvious role players immediately assume they can. (Such as Zenyatta who could likely be outhealed by a back-of-the-pack 76 who drops his healing on people but Zenyatta is a debuffer and a sniper. You wouldn't bring NotHanzo to heal your party if he could throw a health pack on one person but you would bring him if you already had a Mercy floating around and no one else to heal your party.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keile View Post
    Personally I find Roadhog to be more useful than Rein. His self-heal is on a very short CD and that hook of his is devastating.




    Zarya is best used with another tank. She doesn't work too well as a solo tank, but couple her with ANOTHER like a Reinhardt or a Winston and she is amazing. You put a Barrier on the other tank and basically guarantee yourself a fully charged cannon.
    The problem though is the hook doesn't go through Reins shield and leave them as an easy target for even Rein to take out after E move into charge and a couple wacks. I've also done some amazing stuff to other teams with his stun special, allowing us to essentially wipe out an entire team on an objective. Reins shield also blocks the Nuke from D. Va which is substantial when people try to use that one hit wonder to wipe a team and you have members running around not being able to find cover.

    I do agree with Zarya. She can allow a lot of interesting Leroy Jenkins type stuff with that Shield, I just don't like how long the CD is outside of the weekly brawl going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    The problem though is the hook doesn't go through Reins shield and leave them as an easy target for even Rein to take out after E move into charge and a couple wacks. I've also done some amazing stuff to other teams with his stun special, allowing us to essentially wipe out an entire team on an objective. Reins shield also blocks the Nuke from D. Va which is substantial when people try to use that one hit wonder to wipe a team and you have members running around not being able to find cover.

    I do agree with Zarya. She can allow a lot of interesting Leroy Jenkins type stuff with that Shield, I just don't like how long the CD is outside of the weekly brawl going on.
    I actually grab quite a few Reinhardts with Roadhog, which completely forces him out of position. You just need to either flank his side, or wait for him to drop his shield for whatever reason (maybe it broke, maybe he tried to charge someone. I've nailed him with the hook mid-charge and saved teammates which is always satisfying). Once you get him out of position, he is basically useless to his team...and likely a dead crusader to boot.
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    Reinhardt is ideal for two circumstances;

    1> Holding a check point with team support (particularly heals) bunched up behind you, or
    2> Holding a choke point and letting your team attack/defend, with proper coordination, assuming the enemy can't provide significant focus fire; a Bastion set up close is gonna chew through that shield in seconds.

    Holding a check point with your team running all over or shooting from outside? Zarya's great. Take advantage of the enemy's distraction, use your shields to provide allies cover from far away, etc. Significant more aggressive long-range than most tanks. I get a ton of kills with Zarya by carpet bombing approaches on maps like Anubis, particularly the second point, on defense. We're talking hitting them when they're below the ramp, while I'm sitting on the checkpoint. Also makes a fantastic second tank; she can shield the other tank.

    Taking a point? Winston is great, but he needs the team to dive in with him. Diving solo is a death sentence, unless your ult is up. Also great for chasing snipers off ledges.

    Roadhog's practically a roamer like Reaper. No mobility, but survivability in 1v1 for days. I usually only use him as a second tank, when the primary's a Reinhardt who's camped on the point; my job is to disrupt whatever assault they put together to attack that defense. I also play him on king-of-the-hill maps sometimes, depending on the map layout; the team tends to stay near the capture point, so hooking someone in is a pretty thorough death sentence, even if you don't kill them yourself.

    D.va has more targeted survivability than Reinhardt. Need to take down that Bastion? Pop out, defensive screen, let your buddies behind you shoot him down in complete safety. Her ult's ridiculous, and will clear a point better than anyone else. Huge mobility, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    I do agree with Zarya. She can allow a lot of interesting Leroy Jenkins type stuff with that Shield, I just don't like how long the CD is outside of the weekly brawl going on.
    None of the tanks but Reinhardt can just stand there taking enemy fire. That's not what "tank" means. Zarya's all about selectively taking hits. Unlike others, she WANTS to get hit, to power her beam, but only on her terms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Reinhardt is ideal for two circumstances;

    1> Holding a check point with team support (particularly heals) bunched up behind you, or
    2> Holding a choke point and letting your team attack/defend, with proper coordination, assuming the enemy can't provide significant focus fire; a Bastion set up close is gonna chew through that shield in seconds.

    Holding a check point with your team running all over or shooting from outside? Zarya's great. Take advantage of the enemy's distraction, use your shields to provide allies cover from far away, etc. Significant more aggressive long-range than most tanks. I get a ton of kills with Zarya by carpet bombing approaches on maps like Anubis, particularly the second point, on defense. We're talking hitting them when they're below the ramp, while I'm sitting on the checkpoint. Also makes a fantastic second tank; she can shield the other tank.

    Taking a point? Winston is great, but he needs the team to dive in with him. Diving solo is a death sentence, unless your ult is up. Also great for chasing snipers off ledges.

    Roadhog's practically a roamer like Reaper. No mobility, but survivability in 1v1 for days. I usually only use him as a second tank, when the primary's a Reinhardt who's camped on the point; my job is to disrupt whatever assault they put together to attack that defense. I also play him on king-of-the-hill maps sometimes, depending on the map layout; the team tends to stay near the capture point, so hooking someone in is a pretty thorough death sentence, even if you don't kill them yourself.

    D.va has more targeted survivability than Reinhardt. Need to take down that Bastion? Pop out, defensive screen, let your buddies behind you shoot him down in complete safety. Her ult's ridiculous, and will clear a point better than anyone else. Huge mobility, too.

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    None of the tanks but Reinhardt can just stand there taking enemy fire. That's not what "tank" means. Zarya's all about selectively taking hits. Unlike others, she WANTS to get hit, to power her beam, but only on her terms.
    I've done everything on your listed other tanks as better at just fine on Reinhardt.

    Also, hence the Leroy Jenkins comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Reinhardt is ideal for two circumstances;


    None of the tanks but Reinhardt can just stand there taking enemy fire. That's not what "tank" means. Zarya's all about selectively taking hits. Unlike others, she WANTS to get hit, to power her beam, but only on her terms.
    Every tank but Roadhog has an ability that lets them stand there and take it and even Roadhog can disengage and heal after a certain point. Reinhardt just has a much higher cap of how much "stand and take it" he can manage. Do their "stand and take it" abilities have better uses? Absolutely but they all have even rudimentary abilities to absorb or negate incoming fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Depends on map and situation. Reinhardt is great for escorting payloads; Winston is far better at clearing objective points, but fails at escorting in comparison
    IDK, the few games I played escort maps as Winston I was a nightmare for the defending team. Winston is great at attacking uncoordinated teams or people who don't know how to use their defensive kits.

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    Reinhardt is best used in attack with Zarya, Roadhog and Zarya are the best (imo) defense tanks.
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    Reinhardt actually works really well with another tank.

    He's a pretty great hero overall.

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