Does Bastion make you rage? I have some good news for you.

[Deleted]

But I bet you suck with him.

I might suck with his left click but nobody needs to be good to use his right click. 2 McCrees is the common comp setup because he has no easy counters. You counter 2 McCrees with 2 McCrees, that is the definition of imbalanced.

- - - Updated - - -

I havent quit a game yet, but come real close. Terrible teamwork makes me rage more than bastion. Mostly because he's not overpowered. You just suck if you think he is. Yes he can shred you fast...but there's only one map where he really shines. The rest of the maps require team strategy to allow him to shine, and even then he's easily countered.

Who counters him? Widow? Possibly the only other OP hero right now?

[Zahlen]

McCree is godlike in close encounters, and cannot be countered by just anything. But when you are afar, that's quite of a different story. Same thing applies to Mei.

I personally find Torbjörn's turret almost impossible to counter except a far range snipe shot.

just like go winston, jump to the turrets shield down and kill it with telsa canon

[TITAN308]

I might suck with his left click but nobody needs to be good to use his right click. 2 McCrees is the common comp setup because he has no easy counters. You counter 2 McCrees with 2 McCrees, that is the definition of imbalanced.

Because I am sure you play on a pro league level. Amirite?

I mean, if pro league players are using him, that must mean any scrub who picks up the game quickly dominates and becomes a pro league player themselves within a matter of days!

[Woobels]

Because I am sure you play on a pro league level. Amirite?

I mean, if pro league players are using him, that must mean any scrub who picks up the game quickly dominates and becomes a pro league player themselves within a matter of days!

No but they likely know better and a good game is at least in some way balanced around professional play.

You seem to really think McCree should go untouched, do you play him?

[TITAN308]

Or we just need to stop dumbing down games for the dumbest lower denominators.

- - - Updated - - -

No but they likely know better and a good game is at least in some way balanced around professional play.

You seem to really think McCree should go untouched, do you play him?

I play almost exclusively in Arcade Brawl, I find regular play, the entire thing to be pretty lame at this point.

Everyone one shots everything, uptime is counted in seconds, and in general the game play feels super sluggish after having played AB so much.

Shit may be broke in certain conditions in AB, but the game play (to me) is like 1000% more fun. You live a lot longer, you get to push more buttons, and in AB you really have to know how to break someones combos or skills to get around some really OP shit.

Actually pretty bummed its coming out of rotation tomorrow.

[wiggletard]

I feel all are well balanced. Just pick a new character to counter.

[Seifa]

I feel dirty now; i'm picking Mccree as a rage pick and doing better than my usual Phara or Soldier. Let's face it, he has too much damage potential in a small amount of time. If Blizzard would remove his primary fire i doubt even pro players would stop picking him because at the moment is Stun+M2 is all you need to burst down any target and if by chance the spread did troll you and didn't finish off a beefier target, roll and M2 again. Win.

Any close to mid range character is unusable against Mccree, and god help you if there are two in a team, because at that point you need a good WM or a lucky Hanzo, and we all know you have better luck finding oil in your basement at this point.

[FelPlague]

i get raged the most by snipers... as you go around a corner and banm dead... no gameplay as the 2 main snipers have ways to see you through walls

but still i never rage quit, my friend played, we won 8 matches, lost 2, he started screaming at everyone, ragequit, and refunded the game

[TITAN308]

Yeah, this is the attitude I talked about. People want to put on this image of being better than all the "dumbed down" players, so they'll just flatly deny that anything is hard to deal with, or better than other options. Because if everyone else thinks that X character is strong, then they think they look awesome by denying it.

Oh brother. Maybe you just suck against McCree and its not anymore complex than that.

[Deleted]

McCree is the duelist character. He's most likely the best in every 1on1 situation (in close to medium range) and supposed to be op in a duel. But he is also the weakest hero in an outnumbered situation.
He has no escape, no area damage and his only burst is close range. With this kit he can only escort the party against flankers or hunt flankers. If you use him to push, there are a bunch of heroes who can do this better with better damage, better survivability and better support.

[Mask]

Don't worry, McCree will be nerfed. He is way overpicked in competitive games. So is Mercy and Lucio, but that isn't because they are overpowered, it's because they are the only good healers in the game. There are tons of damage dealers, and McCree is better than all of them.

We've seen what happens in MOBA games when competitive teams consistently overpick a hero in tournaments. They do it for a reason, and the developers always respond with nerfs eventually. Maybe next month, or maybe in 6 months, but the nerf will happen.

[Ophenia]

Basically, everyone here is whining because they get pwnd by staying in a 2m range from McCree.

Guess what ? If you stand on the speedway, you'll likely be driven over by a car.

I've seen a lot of smart Streamers that were never killed by McCree because they simply stayed in middle range, and they killed him quite easily (with Reaper, Tracer, Genji...). Once the McCree's player failed his stun, he simply becomes completely useless.

Deal with it

[Rabka Uhalla]

Basically, everyone here is whining because they get pwnd by staying in a 2m range from McCree.

Guess what ? If you stand on the speedway, you'll likely be driven over by a car.

I've seen a lot of smart Streamers that were never killed by McCree because they simply stayed in middle range, and they killed him quite easily (with Reaper, Tracer, Genji...). Once the McCree's player failed his stun, he simply becomes completely useless.

Deal with it

What? How DARE you bring reason and logic into this. And how DARE you insinuate that it's the non-McCree players that are at fault? He's obviously a broken, overpowered hero!

/sarcasm off

Seriously though, I do not play McCree, I've played him like 2 times ever, and I don't think ever been killed by him. Which means two things; Either A) (and the most likely scenario) He's not overpowered, or B) I've just never met one that didn't suck utter shite.

[KaPe]

McCree will not stand at long range and try to outshoot Hanzo/Widowmaker/S76. He's always hiding behind a corner, sneaking around in hallways, staying in buildings and so on. He's not Genji and can't get in nearly as many places, but what he can do is enough. Flashbang in itself is bad enough, but even if he misses it, Fan absolutely shreds anyone. If someone actually survives, there's instant reload and another round, which will kill them unless the player has absolutely terrible aim. His burst is unmatched and the only one who might live through double fan is Winston during ultimate. Key word being "might".

And it's not like he's helpless and longer ranges. Of course he'll die to snipers - but who doesn't? He still deals respectable damage with standard attack, can easily hide if threatened and if you try to chase him, you'll just get stunned and killed.

This isn't Bastion and "just get Widowmaker/Pharah" doesn't work. Even Genji's reflect doesn't work if Flashbang hits the ground. Your best bet is him walking on Junkrat grenades, Symetra turret nest or getting a lucky snipe. Or having a better McCree of your own.

[Peligrad]

If you get caught 1 on 1 in close range you are suppose to die to McCree.

This is where the disconnect appears to be. I'm not sure how to break it down any further.

Hahahaha! Nope.

This is what Reaper is supposed to be, not McCree.

McCree has a hit scan, high dps weapon that has sniper-like accuracy.

He's not supposed to be deleting everyone at close range. He's supposed to be a mid-range character who has some short range and long range capability.

Flashbang needs a big nerf to give it some counter play and him reloading on his dash is a problem.

I'm nearly certain they will hit these 2 points in a future patch.

[Ophenia]

Hahahaha! Nope.

This is what Reaper is supposed to be, not McCree.

McCree has a hit scan, high dps weapon that has sniper-like accuracy.

He's not supposed to be deleting everyone at close range. He's supposed to be a mid-range character who has some short range and long range capability.

Flashbang needs a big nerf to give it some counter play and him reloading on his dash is a problem.

I'm nearly certain they will hit these 2 points in a future patch.

Clearly, cowboys of the far-west were known to be elite snipers

[Peligrad]

Clearly, cowboys of the far-west were known to be elite snipers

Last I checked cowbows didn't have 0 aim sway and a targeting reticle built into their eyeball either. If they did (like McCree) yeah you bet they'd be sniping people with their revolvers. But the effective range of a revolver is farther than a the effective range of a shotgun loaded with shot. No he's not a sniper... that is why I said he is supposed to be a mid-range character. Learn how to read kid.

Fan the hammer should be a desperation move, not a staple centerpiece of his game play.

[Bill Nye the Spy]

I defiantly agree that Mcree is the most powerful hero in the entire game right now and needs to be nerfed, but how. I guess they could lower his damage or duration of his stun. I'd rather the stun time just gets lowered

[tankbug]

I have no idea why McCree is regarded as OP. He rarely kills me, and it's often because I'm busy fighting someone else. Maybe it's because I play a lot of Junkrat atm, which destroys him with easy.

[Jessicka]

McCree doesn't really bother me much to be honest, my only real issue is that he can kill people essentially by accident. I saw a PotG where he did his high noon thing at one guy, and two others happened to stray around a corner while engaged with someone else; no way he could have known they were there (no infravision and range was too long to hear), they just totally lucked out. I just thought that was harsh.