Migrant kills Swedish Social Worker in very bloody attack

[Cannibalus]

No you can't deny welfare you can however lessen the amount of welfare. I'll never be behind safety hammocks, these programs are being abused and need reformed.

Agree 100%. I would suggest a base income that everyone after the age of 18 gets that insures food, a place to stay and decent living conditions. You want more, you work. You don't need it, cuz you're rich and you own a business, tell them to halt it and instead give fiscalization (tax) advantages and even a base charity fund that the owner can add onto and do charity events that in turn make good publicity. Motivation is key imo.

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I already admitted that my choice of words was poor a while back.

Sorry i guess i'm a slow writer :P

[PosPosPos]

Oh hey, I haven't heard this tired narrative in at least 5 minutes. Go to Venezuela if you want Socialism, I hear they are doing wonderful.

Oh hey, I haven't heard this tired narrative in at least 5 minutes. Go to Indonesia, Somalia and India if you want small government, I hear they are doing wonderful.

P.S. The presence of welfare doesn't make a nation socialist. But I suppose it's a very difficult concept to grasp.

[Felnoire]

Actually its not. If my country law says I can kick the living sh/t out of someone for looking me wrong and I do that on country that doesn't look too kind to that I will be guilty. If my country says that i can dig a hole, put a woman there after she was raped and unfateful and stone her to death and i do that in Sweden what am I? Im my eyes I wouldn't be guilty because I was thought my entire life that that way of life is Ok and you nor anyone else would be able to convince me otherwise. In their mind what they did isnt wrong and that is what separates us from immigrants. That's on not like speed limit in certain countries, it is their way of life, something they were surrounded for decades

Are people not paying attention when saying you check their records according to your laws not their's, if you find them breaking your laws and liable to break them again you deport them. After all we'd have to deport Nelson Mandella back in the day if he visited if we went by the country's they came from laws, our laws don't allow you to stone people, kick the crap out of people, etc. So if you learn that's how they view it, send them back, if they can't adapt to our laws they're to be sent back. If you stone someone in Sweden you're a murderer, but then without a law behind you in an Islamic country you're typically a murderer too. Your eyes just like mine don't matter to the laws of the country we're in, drinking alcohol isn't legal everywhere and we'd be breaking the law if we consumed it there. Ignorance of a law is not a defense, if a migrant comes here they're expected to follow the laws of here not their homeland. If they don't it doesn't matter how 'right' they think they are, they'll be punished in accordance to our laws they're also liable to be deported right after as well.
Side note having a driving license from another country does not actually allow you to drive on our roads, you have to take our tests to get our license to be allowed to drive here. Seeing as for a start we drive on the opposite side of the road to a fair few nations, and we've seen how people react to their first roundabout. Nevermind our cars are typically manual, while alot of countries almost exclusively use automatics. There are automatics, and yes they have they have their own test, but it's still another reason to ensure a person who hasn't lived here all their lives should take the test regardless of tests they've done in their own country. Not sure about tourists, but I assume there is a special dispensation for short term vistors and the rental places are more likely to have cars more suited to foreign users. But the law would still be the law.. not like we don't paste signs everywhere on speed limits.

[hydrium]

Oh hey, I haven't heard this tired narrative in at least 5 minutes. Go to Indonesia, Somalia and India if you want small government, I hear they are doing wonderful.

P.S. The presence of welfare doesn't make a nation socialist. But I suppose it's a very difficult concept to grasp.

Oh look a progressive that doesn't even make it 5 minutes before the false claims start. I'll be over here falling asleep and not paying attention to you, I'll wait for you to finish your narrative before I respond.

[Cannibalus]

You can dream of monsters all you want, the truth is the truth. Placing everyone in different boats is being ignorant and stupid. You cannot ignore the truth, statistics and act like something is happening. The whole of the west is acting like something happens with media oppression and police declaring only what they're being told. This bubble will remain and it only fuels neo-nazi tenancies when it does. This is what happens if stuff isn't moderated/controlled/examined or apparently reading that my solution was moderating, controlling and examining based on their actual criminal background rather than an apparent "oh he's an x they're all criminals". But the outcome will be the same if actions are not taken be they migrant or native, people will kill and innocent people will die.

Seems changing a few words was all that was needed, seeing as you didn't seem to pay attention that I don't believe in letting people into the country without checking them for their criminal history. Nor that if they're breaking a law that's not a law in their country, they'd be considered breaking it by out law if they continued to practice it. I'm all for controlling the problem, but the problem of crime is a human one and I will treat them as humans over what culture they came from. Individuals with a violent criminal history gets deported, individuals with a clean history get in, cultural differences taken into account but still weighed entirely on their criminal choices over where they happened to be born.

I'm not trying to convince you of the truth, you're far off the chart, any chart, something that's supposed to be normal nowadays. I guess PC bullshit propaganda pays out.

[hydrium]

I'm not trying to convince you of the truth, you're far off the chart, any chart, something that's supposed to be normal nowadays. I guess PC bullshit propaganda pays out.

I love watching how they spin stories when I bring up that Sweden has seen a 1472% increase in rape since the influx of immigrants and multiculturalism took hold.

[Xarkan]

Typical leftist shit. Rapes/violent crimes commited in scandinavia was 95% commited by african/middle eastern men. Learn facts before posting.

Where is that number from? Rape stats in Denmark 2004-2013 is supposedly 615 convictions with 212 being immigrants or descendants. Horribly high and something needs to be done (that is a third done by a minority of significantly less than a third) In Danish: http://www.b.dk/nationalt/hver-tredj...-er-indvandrer

[markos82]

Where is that number from? Rape stats in Denmark 2004-2013 is supposedly 615 convictions with 212 being immigrants or descendants. Horribly high and something needs to be done (that is a third done by a minority of significantly less than a third) In Danish: http://www.b.dk/nationalt/hver-tredj...-er-indvandrer

And what % of population is Danish and what % are immigrants?

[Narwal]

Could we stop with this shit?

Do you really expect all immigrants to be perfect paragons of virtue? Do you expect all native populations to be such as well? No. There are obviously bad apples in both sides; both sides will commit crimes. That doesn't mean that we need someone like Trump to "build a wall" to keep them out, it means we need to allow the law to prosecute them for their actions. Swedes rape and murder each other just as easily as immigrants do.

Everyone is in favor of wise immigration. The question is, do you bring in a person you don't know much about, or should you be more selective in only bringing in people you know are good. These immigrants from a war-torn area, sure to have inflicted emotional and mental problems in these people, are just blindly being let in and let loose on the population. It is the duty of the government, to assure they're doing everything in their power to assure the people coming in are fully vetted, if they cannot be, they should not be let in. The inability to thoroughly vet these people because of a lack of historical paperwork should not give them a free pass, it does not mean they are vetted.

[Felnoire]

I'm not trying to convince you of the truth, you're far off the chart, any chart, something that's supposed to be normal nowadays. I guess PC bullshit propaganda pays out.

I don't need to convince you of the truth either, after all where is the fun in that? Especially when you still haven't actually paid attention to my view enough to see more than what you apparently want to see from someone you don't agree with. But then I don't recall the world needed to 100% agree to everything in order for it to be interesting.

[Xarkan]

And what % of population is Danish and what % are immigrants?

As i said significantly less (we are not sweden and even they are not at a third. A quick google says 12.4% which makes immigrants a little less than 3 times overrepresented in that statistic)

Edit: The percentage is by the same agency that supposedly decided the other statistic and the standard is presumably the same

[Prothynyas]

thank angela merkel
if it wasnt for her this murder/death woudlnt have been possible

[Felnoire]

Everyone is in favor of wise immigration. The question is, do you bring in a person you don't know much about, or should you be more selective in only bringing in people you know are good. These immigrants from a war-torn area, sure to have inflicted emotional and mental problems in these people, are just blindly being let in and let loose on the population. It is the duty of the government, to assure they're doing everything in their power to assure the people coming in are fully vetted, if they cannot be, they should not be let in. The inability to thoroughly vet these people because of a lack of historical paperwork should not give them a free pass, it does not mean they are vetted.

The easiest solution is not let anyone in, the sensible solution is to check first for crimes they've actually committed. If that triggers a red light, deport them. Then you interview them to gauge their ability to adapt to the laws of the country the will now be living in, if they fail this deport them. Then you set up classes to teach them the laws of the country they will now be expected to follow, failure results in deportation. Not that natives can recall every law off by heart, but they should be able to recall the major ones. If they've managed to pass the screening and the learning process, then they may enter the country. This might also improve employment opportunities as there will need to be more people involved with border control to ensure a high quality of scrutiny.
It also won't prevent all possibility of crime from an immigrant, considering we can't prevent all possibility of a native committing a crime I'd say that task is without closing the borders completely impossible. Though even closed borders doesn't prevent people getting in or out, but I suppose that's neither here nor there.

[Kalis]

And what % of population is Danish and what % are immigrants?

As of 2013 about 90% Danish/10% immigrants.

[Deleted]

All migrants are peaceful

[hydrium]

This is the level of mental illness we are dealing with in progressives.

A girl in Germany was gangraped by rapefugees then SHE apologized on Facebook and promised to work harder on their behalf.

http://usherald.com/liberal-extremis...ho-raped-her/#

[Felnoire]

All migrants are peaceful

Nope, just like natives all are able to be gits.

[Cannibalus]

I don't need to convince you of the truth either, after all where is the fun in that? Especially when you still haven't actually paid attention to my view enough to see more than what you apparently want to see from someone you don't agree with. But then I don't recall the world needed to 100% agree to everything in order for it to be interesting.

You're not the problem mate. You and I, we're nobody. The problem arises when the authorities share your opinions, or so it seems. That's when hell breaks loose. And i'm really sad to live in this time as the 2000's started with technological breakthroughs and cool video games and movies, everything seemed to go on the right path. And then this shit comes, and the sadness that it causes just shadows everything nice, and even worse, there are people like you seeing in black and white, also while refusing that there is a problem with a certain group, not to mention giving a solution, just sticking to the wrong path, even when the right path is miles long and requires considerable effort.

[zephid]

They'll build walls!

There are ladders you know, not to mention shovels if you want to be build a tunnel.

[Cannibalus]

I love watching how they spin stories when I bring up that Sweden has seen a 1472% increase in rape since the influx of immigrants and multiculturalism took hold.

It looks just amazing to me how people look the other way. All that a good country has given it's citizens is nullified by this crap.