Clinton For-Profit Education Scandal Dwarfs Trump University

[Ghostpanther]

You mean these reviews?

Robert Guillo gave a glowing evaluation to his instructor at Trump University because, he said, the teacher pleaded for the best possible score, warning that without it, “Mr. Trump might not invite me back to teach again.”

Jeffrey Tufenkian offered excellent ratings because his Trump University-assigned mentor refused to leave the room until he did so, standing “right in front of me” as he filled out the evaluation form, he said.

John Brown tried to give his Trump University teacher a poor review — but said he was talked out of it by employees of the program, who called him three times, hounding him to raise his original scores.

“Tired of the continuing phone calls,” he later testified, “I finally gave in.” His dismal marks changed to top scores, Mr. Brown said.

Interviews and documents show that employees of Trump University at times applied pressure on students to offer favorable reviews, instructed them to fill out the forms in order to obtain their graduation certificates, and ignored standard practices used to ensure that the surveys were filled out objectively.

“It’s absolutely a con,” said Mr. Guillo, who spent $36,000 on Trump University classes and later requested a refund. “The role of the evaluations were a defense against any legal actions. They anticipated those actions.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us...=top-news&_r=0

Not that one. That one seems to purposefully leave out the many who gave testimonies they got what they paid for and expected. Watch the MSNBC video Celista referred to.

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You mean these reviews?

Robert Guillo gave a glowing evaluation to his instructor at Trump University because, he said, the teacher pleaded for the best possible score, warning that without it, “Mr. Trump might not invite me back to teach again.”

Jeffrey Tufenkian offered excellent ratings because his Trump University-assigned mentor refused to leave the room until he did so, standing “right in front of me” as he filled out the evaluation form, he said.

John Brown tried to give his Trump University teacher a poor review — but said he was talked out of it by employees of the program, who called him three times, hounding him to raise his original scores.

“Tired of the continuing phone calls,” he later testified, “I finally gave in.” His dismal marks changed to top scores, Mr. Brown said.

Interviews and documents show that employees of Trump University at times applied pressure on students to offer favorable reviews, instructed them to fill out the forms in order to obtain their graduation certificates, and ignored standard practices used to ensure that the surveys were filled out objectively.

“It’s absolutely a con,” said Mr. Guillo, who spent $36,000 on Trump University classes and later requested a refund. “The role of the evaluations were a defense against any legal actions. They anticipated those actions.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us...=top-news&_r=0

Lets say all of that is true. What part did Trump personally have a hand in? Using his name on the front of the building? It's not like Trump was teaching at the school or instructing these people to do these things.

[I Push Buttons]

He payments were funneled through a shell company so the IRS wouldn't know about it. You know just like everyone else...

Try again, friend.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...-clinton-s-llc

1. Is the LLC hiding income?
LLCs are not designed to do that. Officially, they are "disregarded entities."

Welcome to the tax code.

In other words, it means their income is treated as the owners' income.

2. Then is it hiding the identities of Bill Clinton's clients? Or their payments to him?
No. The tax code safeguards the privacy of such sensitive taxpayer information. It's the same law that protects your income sources, or the political transactions of a 501(c)(4) "social welfare" group, from public disclosure.

The LLC also has no impact on Hillary Clinton's official personal disclosures. All that's required by federal law is the name of her spouse, provided he made more than $1,000 a year. It's true that the Clintons could provide a list of Bill's post-presidency clientele, but there's no law that compels them.

3. So, why have an LLC?
The lawyers NPR spoke with all avoided saying there's nothing wrong here, but the main point of LLCs is to protect against lawsuits. If Bill Clinton was sued for consulting misdeeds, the LLC would be the defendant. Its assets would be at risk, but not the rest of the Clinton family's wealth. A good insurance policy for the LLC would offer even more protection. This isn't to say that WJC LLC would have assets of its own. It's common to sweep the cash out of LLCs, leaving the insurance policy to demonstrate the company's viability as a shield.

There are other complicated factors that could change details of WJC LLC's role. But secrecy seems an unlikely motive. Not when the company is named for William Jefferson Clinton.

William Jefferson Clinton, LLC.

How inconspicuous.

[Orbitus]

Trump University is honestly a load of crap trumped up by left (see what I did there?) because there's nothing else

So defrauding thousands of people of millions of dollars is a trumped up load of crap?

[Pangean]

Law firm behind case paid Bill and Hillary Clinton $900,000 for speeches, including $225,000 to Hillary in late 2014 after her presidential buzz started

Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, the law firm representing a group of the Trump project's former students, has paid Bill and Hillary Clinton $900,000 for speeches since 2009.
The Clintons earned speaking fees from five law firms in recent years, with Robbins Geller paying them the most.

And that has what to do with your claim that the case had stopped?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Sounds like the same sort of error as having an email server in your bathroom. The same sort of totally normal, understandable mistake that any of us could make

Happened to me last week I tells ya!

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Try again, friend.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...-clinton-s-llc



William Jefferson Clinton, LLC.

How inconspicuous.

The document revealed Bill Clinton was being paid through a “shell corporation” pass-through account, WJC LLC, designed to keep consulting fees paid Clinton off the books of the Clinton Foundation.

It allowed Clinton to avoid disclosing the existence of the shell company even to the IRS, as long as compensation payments to him were withdrawn as soon as they were deposited, ensuring the account always showed a zero balance.

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And that has what to do with your claim that the case had stopped?

I never said it stopped. Reread.

[alexw]

Lol it was WND saying it. Brietbart is real journalism compared to those guys.

WND isn't that basically nutter news central? Yup it is, just checked, here is one of their "exclusives".

Globally, Christianity is in retreat, as the number of Muslims swells and the civilization once called Christendom is taken over by secularism. But New York Times best-selling author, scriptural teacher and filmmaker Joel Richardson has a message for Christians – put aside your fear of men and use the Gospel to revolutionize your world.

In a recent interview with Susan Knowles, Richardson issued a passionate challenge to believers worldwide to preach the truth of the Scriptures, no matter how hard it seems.

“As Christians, we need to realize that the primary weapon, the primary tool that the Lord has given us is a message called the Gospel which changes people individually, one person at a time, from the inside out,” Richardson said. “And so, as Christians in the United States, we have been primarily focused on politics. We think that the main way we are going to change the world is by getting the right guy into office, righteous judges, righteous laws. We think that if we impose righteous laws onto a bunch of pagans, that’s going to make the world better.

“But the pattern that the Lord has given us is that we proclaim this message of the Gospel. We boldly go out and share the Gospel despite the hatred and the resistance of the world. And we see people, we even see pagans, transformed.

“We need to understand the Kingdom of God, the approach Jesus has given us, is inside out, it’s upside down, and from the ground up, one heart at a time.”

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Maybe. I am skeptical but it's possible.

I would want to see a lot more data/info.

Trump could afford the best lawyers so it's no surprise he'll have a good win ratio.

[I Push Buttons]

The document revealed Bill Clinton was being paid through a “shell corporation” pass-through account, WJC LLC, designed to keep consulting fees paid Clinton off the books of the Clinton Foundation.

It allowed Clinton to avoid disclosing the existence of the shell company even to the IRS, as long as compensation payments to him were withdrawn as soon as they were deposited, ensuring the account always showed a zero balance.

You realize repeating the same thing over and over does not make it any less false than the previous times, correct?

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You realize repeating the same thing over and over does not make it any less false than the previous times, correct?

It's not false.

[Pangean]

Not that one. That one seems to purposefully leave out the many who gave testimonies they got what they paid for and expected. Watch the MSNBC video Celista referred to.

And a shit lot more went to the authorities so that he was investigated and in multiple cases is being sued for fraud. A demonstrated case of forcing reviews is going to be disastrous to a case that is using those as a defense.

[Ealyssa]

This is an allegation, not a fact. All they've said is they made an error, which does happen. Its not the same as the actual fraud that was Trump U.

Clintons are democrats, it's obvious they are 100 times more guilty of everything.

[I Push Buttons]

It's not false.

Please provide the evidence of wrongdoing that is not an opinion piece article, thanks.

[Ghostpanther]

So defrauding thousands of people of millions of dollars is a trumped up load of crap?

You are declaring him guilty without a trial. lol! He is accused of doing it. And being rich, some would like to get money back they feel they wasted and more if they can off him. I rather wait and see how the trial ends before I comment that he is guilty as charged.

[alexw]

Law firm behind case paid Bill and Hillary Clinton $900,000 for speeches, including $225,000 to Hillary in late 2014 after her presidential buzz started

Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, the law firm representing a group of the Trump project's former students, has paid Bill and Hillary Clinton $900,000 for speeches since 2009.
The Clintons earned speaking fees from five law firms in recent years, with Robbins Geller paying them the most.

*rolleyes*

Get back to us when the court date is set. Until then don't bother.

[Orbitus]

The document revealed Bill Clinton was being paid through a “shell corporation” pass-through account, WJC LLC, designed to keep consulting fees paid Clinton off the books of the Clinton Foundation.

It allowed Clinton to avoid disclosing the existence of the shell company even to the IRS, as long as compensation payments to him were withdrawn as soon as they were deposited, ensuring the account always showed a zero balance.

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I never said it stopped. Reread.

He just linked you the story from NPR, where it is William Jefferson Clinton, LLC. That has a 501(c)(4) tax exempt rating. How is that hiding it from the IRS? To keep that status every year, you have to provide your tax statements. WJC, LLC is not a "shell company". It literally has Bill Clinton's name in it.

[kail]

Did you read past the title?

Yes. It's an article that bashes for-profit schools, Walden University, and Laureate. Yet Clinton makes it to the title which is highly misleading and has people like you fooled. Bill worked for Laureate, both made paid speeches. If you're against paid speeches, by all means hate away. But that's all she's guilty for in this regard. Trump owns and has his name on the University that is currently under investigation. Trump is Laureate in comparison with education scandals.

Reading helps, I promise you. Start with this: Choosing Credible Sources.

[Orbitus]

You are declaring him guilty without a trial. lol! He is accused of doing it. And being rich, some would like to get money back they feel they wasted and more if they can off him. I rather wait and see how the trial ends before I comment that he is guilty as charged.

No, I am not declaring him guilty. Kcin said it was a "trumped up load of crap". If it was, the judge would have thrown it out of court. Obviously it is not if the lawsuit is going forward.

[Pangean]

Lets say all of that is true. What part did Trump personally have a hand in? Using his name on the front of the building? It's not like Trump was teaching at the school or instructing these people to do these things.

Why I am so glad you asked:

"Donald Trump personally approved many of the duplicitous ads that misrepresented his now-shuttered and heavily-litigated for-profit university and may have even been integrally involved in crafting some of the deceitful scripts that school reps used to con prospective students, depositions by former Trump University staffers unsealed by a federal judge show."

"His comments, as well as testimony from former Trump University staffers Ronald Schnackenberg and Corinne Sommer, show Trump’s level of direct involvement in bilking thousands of students out of millions of dollars in tuition costs — which could run as high as $35,000 — and indicate he could have partaken in crafting the intricate playbooks, also unsealed this week, that showed school reps how to convince potential students to sign up for the pricey courses."