What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause they're working for the clampdown
They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
When we're working for the clampdown
We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers
But whichever candidate does get elected, you'll be responsible for not voting against them. Say Hillary enacts some law that censors video games (yeah, right). OK, maybe you didn't want that, but is it worse than watching the country burn under Trump?
Hillary has some positions I think are dangerous. Particularly, positions with regards to surveillance. But I'll still vote for her, and deal with the fact that she's going to do things I detest with surveillance, because I don't want to be responsible for someone even worse getting into office.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Sure, a scotus pick is important, but he's picking a qualified justice, it's not like he's enacting himself into the position. Even if he's the worst president the country has ever seen, it's not that dangerous to go to any random judge in the federal system and enact them, considering they've got to be pretty good to get that far. The only issue one may have is that they may lean towards looking at the law a different way than you want them to.
I have ni why people hate her OP she seems very trustworthy to me...
Can't wait for Trumps announcement on Monday about her. I have a feeling the conversation that Bernie had with Obama was a long the lines of 'stay in the race, she's about to get indicted'.
I may not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.
Last edited by Crissi; 2016-06-09 at 07:34 AM.
What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause they're working for the clampdown
They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
When we're working for the clampdown
We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers
don't hate her per se, just really don't like her face or attitude. though I will say I doubt she'd be as annoying as president then Trump would be. nothing in life annoys me more then that orange tinted asshole droning on about how great he is.
Closest party to me would be Libertarian though I don't agree with them on everything.
I dislike her enough (and Trump) to be voting for someone else (not 100% i like Gary enough to vote him, but probably will). I can't stand Hillary because she seems to think the rules don't apply to her, even if the email scandal reveals no classified documents the way she handled it was extremely telling, as she had to be forced to do things. Also while she is all for transparency she has been very cloak and dagger about the whole issue. Add into it she is a typical politician whose beliefs become whatever is popular (see her stance on gay marriage years ago vs now to see an example of this).
I am a bit fucking weird in that how I would handle it is that no matter what my personal beliefs are they don't matter when I am elected because my role then is to serve the peoples wish, my actual purpose is to serve as a voice of moderation for those people, and ensure they don't suppress/oppress minorities with their power (and my own views be damned, and yes I realize how dumb that sounds). So seeing someone who says she supports whatever is popular and apparently switches her beliefs (this is a strong point of why I don't like her, I don't truly know what she believes, and people on both sides of the spectrum can't give me a good answer for it).
At the end of the day one thing she has made clear is Hillary is looking out for herself, and that is the exact person I don't want in power. I will probably at to this later but just woke up.
What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause they're working for the clampdown
They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
When we're working for the clampdown
We will teach our twisted speech To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers
Sure, but you need structural changes to stop money influence. Changing the voting system and the lengths of terms would be a big improvement. But while Clinton has plenty of big money donors (as do ALL politicians), Trump IS BIG MONEY. He's that exact thing. May as well elect Koch Industries president directly instead of letting them donate to Super PACs.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Hate is too strong a word. She's just really low on the list of people I'd like to see holding political office.
She has often supported interventionist use of military force at times and in ways that are inconsistent with achieving a victory condition. Her interest in nofly zones undermining extra-national sovereignty show a lack of respect for other nations that will make internation diplomacy much more challenging. Her promotion of trade agreements like the TPP and earlier NAFTA show a deeper disdain for other governments.
She derives much of her wealth from real estate and from speaking arrangements. Since the speaking arrangements are through corporate interests, and real estate has been unduly propped up by international instability, she is positioned very well to benefit from diplomatic failures. This isn't evil, but she checks a lot of the boxes used in the late 90s to identify transnational criminals.
Her support of and by the oil and coal trade is unforgivable. She goes beyond letting these businesses ride out their remaining years supporting infrastructural transformation and instead actively supports major environmental destruction and risk taking that surpasses our ability to repair it.
Essentially, she would never be the best fit, and right now her weaknesses are all in the places where we need strengths. It doesn't help that her message and positions have been unreliable as it makes it hard to look at changes in her policy as real changes. This isn't a bad thing exactly either, but it does make it harder for her to make the necessary shifts in policy in a convincing manner.
I'm asking people for their reasons. People who are giving reasons with actual events and information to back them up, I'm either agreeing with, or I'm engaging them to try to discuss whether or not the evidence they're presenting actually makes her a worse candidate than Trump. This is a discussion thread, and I hope in challenging people on some of these points I can encourage them to think through their positions and why they believe them, as they can do for me.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Do I have to give specifics about why I don't like rasberry ice cream? I didn't care for Bill, I don't care for Hillary. She doesn't come off as a trustworthy person. Plus she acts like most all other politicians, she wasn't for gay marriage, then she was, but she disagrees she changed her position. Bill seems to have cheated on her from nearly day and she stood by her man, which seems to me, they were more of a professional marriage than anything else. So they just seem to be fake people, who play the role of being just like the normal man.
With that said, she's probably the best candidate to be president, simply because she knows how to play the game.
There is a side that wants to see Trump win just because I don't believe it would be nearly the end of the world like everyone thinks and I'd like to see the political system get a massive shake up and make all the groups go back to figure out where they went off track.
she was broke when she left the white house, while owning two mansions, and getting paid big bucks to speak to bankers oh and by the way you cant see the transcript and getting kickbacks from her billion dollar foundation. i cant fathom how some people look to this woman like shes a god, it makes my skin crawl.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!