I am a left-wing ex*trem*ist

[Kurioxan]

Someone has more money than others because he's more hardowrking/succesfull in life? HE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES!
^ Typical Lefties arogant thinking

Yes.

if you are poor paying 30% if your income makes you poorer to the point you might be unable to lead a life, when you make 5 million a year, paying 70% of taxes on that still leaves you wealthy with tons of disposable income to increase your wealth.

And wealth is related to hardwork? thats the biggest joke i've heard in a while, people who work 10h every day on 2-3 jobs would have a word with you.
There is a saying among wealthy people, "let money work for you".


I don't think a big part of those points are 'extreme" left at all, many are sensible, but I guess in contrast with normal US left, they might be.
when I read the title I sighed and imagined someones blog on tumblr complaining about manspreading and clapping being triggering mixed with white guilt and white hate or the modern "lets save everyone regardless of the cost to us and our society!" bullshit, I'm fairly surprised this is about actual left, not the mental illness that pervades modern "left".

[Narwal]

The problem I see is this... The 1% paying higher taxes does nothing for the middle class.

The government only has programs for the poor, not the middle class. If the 1% give more money to the government, how does that money then make it to the middle class? Sure, they can create some infrastructure jobs, but guess what, the middle class already has jobs. The only way taxing the 1% helps the middle class, is if it reduces (or removes) taxes on the middle class.

This is the fallacy that the democrats try to create. They make a correct assumption that the more money going to the 1% means less money going to the middle class. Their solution, however, is a completely disconnected one. Take that extra money going to the 1% and give it to the government instead. Sure, the government wants more money to run it's excessively spending new pork barrel programs attached to every piece of legislation. The government is the least efficient entity in the country. Feeding it more cash, does not help us as much as if that money went directly to the workers in the employ of those 1%. There probably needs to be some kind of regulation that a minimum % of cash flow/value/something of a business should be going to workers. Maybe even a cap on pay/packages to executives.

Edit: Wrote this in a rush, sorry for horribly organized thoughts and probably rushed judgments.

[Kurioxan]

The will to do something.

No..
Motivation is the desire to do something, nothing to do with will.

Through will, you might overcome lack of desire/motivation however.
Actually "motivation" is one of the biggest golden geese of all, its meaningless yet people wait for it to move their asses, you dont need "motivation" to do anything, its just a nice feeling, thats it.
Also, motivation generally comes when you are already doing something that is engaging, become interested in variations and exploring it, not the other way around.

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With this I do agree. Its about creating more wealth for the middle and lower class and preferably, allowing the lower class to stop existing, to give everyone a dignified life. Taxing more the rich isn't really a solution to that (albeit thats fine too, they can handle that).

Another issue with benefits to wealthier classes is the wrong idea that richer people create jobs, on the contrary and several said wealthy people have mentioned, they do not, as its all about minimizing the amount of people you have working under you and cutting expenses as much as possible, that will not create jobs, only the necessary ones, until you can find cheaper labor or replace them with robots.

[JohnBrown1917]

I don't think a big part of those points are 'extreme" left at all, many are sensible, but I guess in contrast with normal US left, they might be.
when I read the title I sighed and imagined someones blog on tumblr complaining about manspreading and clapping being triggering mixed with white guilt and white hate or the modern "lets save everyone regardless of the cost to us and our society!" bullshit, I'm fairly surprised this is about actual left, not the mental illness that pervades modern "left".

I think the social far left is a better way to describe them. It gladly has not infected the economic left(classic left?)

[Kurioxan]

I think the social far left is a better way to describe them. It gladly has not infected the economic left(classic left?)

There is a lot of sane and meaningful social left to which I also adhere, I maintain my description of those segments, mental illness. Or ennui.

[JohnBrown1917]

Thats why called them the far or extreme left is also fitting. Just like you get Trump on the far right.

[Deleted]

Yes.

if you are poor paying 30% if your income makes you poorer to the point you might be unable to lead a life, when you make 5 million a year, paying 70% of taxes on that still leaves you wealthy with tons of disposable income to increase your wealth.

And wealth is related to hardwork? thats the biggest joke i've heard in a while, people who work 10h every day on 2-3 jobs would have a word with you.
There is a saying among wealthy people, "let money work for you".


I don't think a big part of those points are 'extreme" left at all, many are sensible, but I guess in contrast with normal US left, they might be.
when I read the title I sighed and imagined someones blog on tumblr complaining about manspreading and clapping being triggering mixed with white guilt and white hate or the modern "lets save everyone regardless of the cost to us and our society!" bullshit, I'm fairly surprised this is about actual left, not the mental illness that pervades modern "left".

Why does it matter if you're poor? No one owes you anything. If you're earning minimum wage or less, it means that there is either something wrong with you, that youre not motivated to earn more or you're doing something no one wants to pay you for.. say something anyone could do. How hard you work is irrelevant.

Wealth, if dont right is related to luck and success.. or smart work. If you're smart and can do things most others cant that are in high demand, you'll earn more. Its as simple as that.

This is why I cant stand the left. It's 100% entitlement based mentality where they think they deserve stuff and other people need to make it happen for them. Starting from giving them jobs, even though they cant do anything useful and ending with free stuff.

[JohnBrown1917]

Why does it matter if you're poor? No one owes you anything. If you're earning minimum wage or less, it means that there is either something wrong with you, that youre not motivated to earn more or you're doing something no one wants to pay you for.. say something anyone could do. How hard you work is irrelevant.

Wealth, if dont right is related to luck and success.. or smart work. If you're smart and can do things most others cant that are in high demand, you'll earn more. Its as simple as that.

This is why I cant stand the left. It's 100% entitlement based mentality where they think they deserve stuff and other people need to make it happen for them. Starting from giving them jobs, even though they cant do anything useful and ending with free stuff.

Its posts like this that make me happy that a lot of our economic decisions are based on the majority here.
Then, again, it'd be stupid for our poor/disabled/Working class and lower-middle class to vote for a right-wing party.

[Deleted]

Its posts like this that make me happy that a lot of our economic decisions are based on the majority here.
Then, again, it'd be stupid for our poor/disabled/Working class and lower-middle class to vote for a right-wing party.

Typical leftist response.. no logic, no arguments, just bla bla bla you're mean! And believe it or not, poor people do vote for right wing.. at least the ones who dont consider themselves useless and arent entitled because some day they'll be successful and dont want to give all their money away to parasites.

[Mayhem]

No..
Motivation is the desire to do something, nothing to do with will.

Through will, you might overcome lack of desire/motivation however.
Actually "motivation" is one of the biggest golden geese of all, its meaningless yet people wait for it to move their asses, you dont need "motivation" to do anything, its just a nice feeling, thats it.
Also, motivation generally comes when you are already doing something that is engaging, become interested in variations and exploring it, not the other way around.

I have a feeling we use words very differently. ^^

[Deleted]

No..
Motivation is the desire to do something, nothing to do with will.

Through will, you might overcome lack of desire/motivation however.
Actually "motivation" is one of the biggest golden geese of all, its meaningless yet people wait for it to move their asses, you dont need "motivation" to do anything, its just a nice feeling, thats it.
Also, motivation generally comes when you are already doing something that is engaging, become interested in variations and exploring it, not the other way around.

A lot of people have the will to do a lot of things but cannot put themselves to it without the proper motivation. I've met to many damn people that really wanted X and Y but couldn't stick to it because they couldn't motivate themselves. I don't bother doing anything without having the right motivation because I know it's simply pointless.

[Gheld]

Lol. Universal basic income isn't going to happen. Money is king. And the King has spoken. You aren't going to benefit from the robots that eventually replace your job.

You will be unemployed. The shrinking Bourgeois will talk on late night TV about how you are ruining their life, and a leech, and you'll be rounded up and thrown in an internment camp where you slowly starve as the last remaining "participants" of society vote on how much shitty, flavorless food to throw at you.

Leaving society will not be an option. The splendor of the planet belongs to those with money. You will be hunted like a dog if you try to leave. Eventually you'll be doing menial work for free, just for a spoonful of nutritional slop and a leaky roof over your head and the pundits will talk about how you are a leech even just for wanting that.

Eventually they'll just kill you for the fun of it.

[Independent voter]

Other countries have more extensive social safety nets than the US and have way better social mobility.

I've seen that study. The reason they have better social mobility is because they embrace education. We have millions of people in the US who openly shun education, see it as effeminate.

If you're willing to play the game, there is much, much more social mobility in the US, the US is more of a meritocracy than other nations.

[JohnBrown1917]

Typical leftist response.. no logic, no arguments, just bla bla bla you're mean! And believe it or not, poor people do vote for right wing.. at least the ones who dont consider themselves useless and arent entitled because some day they'll be successful and dont want to give all their money away to parasites.

Pretty sure that is just an american sentiment lol.
Being poor and useless is not the same thing.

[Deleted]

Pretty sure that is just an american sentiment lol.
Being poor and useless is not the same thing.

If they are not useless, why are they demanding that other people should pay for their needs?

Nothing wrong with being poor if they're self sufficient and not expecting handouts.

[XDurionX]

Someone has more money than others because he's more hardowrking/succesfull in life? HE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES!
^ Typical Lefties arogant thinking

Hint: The 1% didn't get where they are through work.

[Eazy]

Hint: The 1% didn't get where they are through work.

Hint: You're probably one of them and all your friends are 1%.

[JohnBrown1917]

If they are not useless, why are they demanding that other people should pay for their needs?

Nothing wrong with being poor if they're self sufficient and not expecting handouts.

I'm sure the super rich never try to fuck over the poor, we should just go back to how they did it in the industrial era!


No poor person. worker class or middle class person benefits from a rigth-wing economic system.

[Deleted]

I'm sure the super rich never try to fuck over the poor, we should just go back to how they did it in the industrial era!


No poor person. worker class or middle class person benefits from a rigth-wing economic system.

The super rich probably dont even care about the poor, they have better things to do.

As for workers benefiting from the rich, you really think the poor are worse off in the US than some socialist hellhole, then youre delusional. However this doesnt really matter. If everyone has the same opportunities and no one is above the law, whats the problem?

[Mayhem]

Something that has impact on you that makes you do things or make you behave in particular way.

You´re contradicting yourself here.

Would you believe me if I tell you that I’m not different than anyone else but seeing what people could do but they didn’t and also, when someone keeps convincing me that I’m not capable of doing something, actually made me do these things?

The key difference is that I’m not accepting what vast majority does. There is no such thing as luck.

So you wouldn´t say that you were lucky that someone said you couldn´t do something and by saying that gave you the motivation to do exactly that?