[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[Crissi]

I think Warren MIGHT take flack but I respect Warren enough to trust she knows what she is doing and until she backs some truly crazy policy, I don't see her turning on us. Though I worry she is tangling with a situation that is FUBAR. As I've expressed, I do not trust Clinton, especially on TPP, war, and to a great extent on banking and regulation. Could Warren keep Hillary Chained down and force her? It would be a very strong test of wills, and Warren may have that strength, idk.

Warren acts for her own reasons, but she has been a lion in a senate full of cowards for some time, other than Bernie she is one of few I genuinely think has a good spirit.

But the Senate deal, that is a big pain, Hillary has to do a lot to satisfy enough of he Sanders coalition to survive the GE, and for the Dems to gain much of anything Congress' wise. I just can't think of any nationally recognized progressive lions who could re-assure the Sanders coalition that they will keep Hillary honest.

Heh, Warren is just a strong a woman as Hillary is IMO. I think she could easily convince her to accomplish at least some more progressive things. Not completely, but I wouldnt expect the winner of a nomination to completely give up what she campaugned on to take on the entire platform of someone who lost. She should take on some, however for party unity sake.

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You only see selling out because you are very anti compromise and anti pragmatism. i dont believe endorsing someone is the same as completely giving up something you're fighting for. It can also often be a way to gain influence and make sure that at least some things happen. No platform gets accomplished 100%, so its important to back someone who will get at least some accomplished, vs not do that and risk getting someone who wont do it at all.

and you can say "Hillary wont do it at all either', but considering her record in the Senate its doubtful. At the very least there would be a few SC nominees that would accomplish moving the US to the left.

Well, maybe she'll still hold Wall Street's feet to the fire. It's just curious that she'd be endorsing Wall Street's love interest Hillary. It just kind of seems paradoxical to me to endorse someone who has been paid millions by the people you've fought against for a long time.

[Theodarzna]

That's all this shit wasever going to be. You notice how a fair amount of shit talking is about how she's "not a liberal"? (That's the light side of it. Check some of Theo, Sy and other such people's posts about the hellscape a Clinton presidency would cause. Very entertaining.)

This was not a reasoned debate between variations of blue. He ran a tea party campaign and got tea party voters out of it.

Those are bad examples, we are forced to talk to people like Dextroden and Wells..... I mean? How much discussion was ACTUALLY possible? Really.

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Heh, Warren is just a strong a woman as Hillary is IMO. I think she could easily convince her to accomplish at least some more progressive things. Not completely, but I wouldnt expect the winner of a nomination to completely give up what she campaugned on to take on the entire platform of someone who lost. She should take on some, however for party unity sake.

She will have to likely forswear TPP to the trash (Well for my vote I'd need assurance its not happening, though Obama may lame duck it and forever ruin his reputation and doom the DNC.)

Though for the Democrats in the Senate and Congress they are going to need her to be more Liberal to capture that energy. Lord knows that Trump base is as fired up.

[Dextroden]

Those are bad examples, we are forced to talk to people like Dextroden and Wells..... I mean? How much discussion was ACTUALLY possible? Really.

I want to take a shot.

Say TPP or meat grinder.

[Crissi]

Well, maybe she'll still hold Wall Street's feet to the fire. It's just curious that she'd be endorsing Wall Street's love interest Hillary. It just kind of seems paradoxical to me to endorse someone who has been paid millions by the people you've fought against for a long time.

Maybe she sees something genuine there, since Warren really doesn't strike me as the "backroom deal politician" sneaky stabby type. I kinda see Hillary the same as LBJ. Virtually no one really liked LBJ, but he got shit done and he continued a lot of JFKs mission, in addition to getting other liberal stuff through. His Vietnam thing was shitty, but his domestic policies were good.

Hoping maaaybe Hillary can avoid the Vietnam thing. I dont mind a more hawkish foreign policy, but I'd rather avoid that particular part of the LBJ comparison.

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A Clinton presidency hellscape? Oh well, let me see... More wars in the Middle East. A possible Iran war. Ramp up drone usage exponentially, and thus ramp up "long distance murder" a lot. Thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of more dead innocent Middle Eastern civilians, continuing from what Dubya started after 9/11. More asylum seekers into Finland.

Flexing more muscles with Putin. It's not like Hillary will ever be friends with Putin, even as much as Obama was. Putin is a racist and a misogynist. You just have to wonder which he is more. She will absolutely do her utmost to try and get the virus that is NATO into Finland.

She will do nothing to fix the Wall Street and banking situation in the US, which will lead to yet another crash, even worse than the one(s) before, which will reverberate in Europe as well.

Yeah... Good times ahead if she wins.

[Crissi]

Those are bad examples, we are forced to talk to people like Dextroden and Wells..... I mean? How much discussion was ACTUALLY possible? Really.

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She will have to likely forswear TPP to the trash (Well for my vote I'd need assurance its not happening, though Obama may lame duck it and forever ruin his reputation and doom the DNC.)

Though for the Democrats in the Senate and Congress they are going to need her to be more Liberal to capture that energy. Lord knows that Trump base is as fired up.

oh lord I hope Obama doesnt lame duck it. That would be awful, and I think he knows how it would affect the GE.

One hopes that her reversal on TPP is permanent, since theres enough popular support against it to warrant not ever signing it (and for good reasons too, not just "I dun like it cause I dont understand' reasons).

[Theodarzna]

Maybe she sees something genuine there, since Warren really doesn't strike me as the "backroom deal politician" sneaky stabby type. I kinda see Hillary the same as LBJ. Virtually no one really liked LBJ, but he got shit done and he continued a lot of JFKs mission, in addition to getting other liberal stuff through. His Vietnam thing was shitty, but his domestic policies were good.

Hoping maaaybe Hillary can avoid the Vietnam thing. I dont mind a more hawkish foreign policy, but I'd rather avoid that particular part of the LBJ comparison.

Warren has been a Liberal lion since day dot. Until I see proof of her betraying her cause, I will not believe she has. Who knows what sorts of threats they, namely Reid and DWS leveled against her, who knows her reasoning, but until she comes out vowing to help Hillary invade Syria and cheerleading the TPP, I say Warren is a Saint.

[Dextroden]

Noooo! Mods, why'd you have to ban my source of entertainment?!

[therayeffect]

Sorry to break this to you, but Warren threw herself under the bus by a) not endorsing Sanders a long time ago back when he would've needed that endorsement, and b) now endorsing Hillary. That's all her own doing.

Sanders will follow suite if he endorses Hillary.

What's "crazed" is compromising and voting for a bad candidate just to avoid a worse one. That's what's insane.

I dislike this race to the bottom as well. At least I can see why people would vote for Trump since he's a populist who's tapping into the hardest hit group from the 2008 recession. I just don't get why people would vote for Hillary. I really don't. I was thinking of saying I don't get why the Establishment picked such a damaged candidate but then I remembered this thing called money and decided not to.

This election is honestly very frustrating. I'm happy Bernie made it this far but it's cancelled out by the terrible candidate in Clinton. It's really frustrating how messy our political system is.

[Theodarzna]

oh lord I hope Obama doesnt lame duck it. That would be awful, and I think he knows how it would affect the GE.

One hopes that her reversal on TPP is permanent, since theres enough popular support against it to warrant not ever signing it (and for good reasons too, not just "I dun like it cause I dont understand' reasons).

If he lame ducked it, he would kill the Democrats and sink Hillary.

Imagine Hillary FINALLY gets unity, gets into the White House and the Dems gain senate and house seats, maybe even get the Senate back. And then that, beyond just Senators turning on Hillary by association in the next Midterm would be a Meat Grinder for the Dems, I mean a near fatality blow. This would be a political suicide move IMHO.

Plus Trump WILL Hammer that point home, and its one of the few things Trump talks about were I am like "You know that orange freak has a point."

[Dextroden]

Warren has been a Liberal lion since day dot. Until I see proof of her betraying her cause, I will not believe she has. Who knows what sorts of threats they, namely Reid and DWS leveled against her, who knows her reasoning, but until she comes out vowing to help Hillary invade Syria and cheerleading the TPP, I say Warren is a Saint.

Threats. Really?

[Theodarzna]

I dislike this race to the bottom as well. At least I can see why people would vote for Trump since he's a populist who's tapping into the hardest hit group from the 2008 recession. I just don't get why people would vote for Hillary. I really don't. I was thinking of saying I don't get why the Establishment picked such a damaged candidate but then I remembered this thing called money and decided not to.

This election is honestly very frustrating. I'm happy Bernie made it this far but it's cancelled out by the terrible candidate in Clinton. It's really frustrating how messy our political system is.

There will be another Bernie, likely a better Bernie. As a great a man as he was he had his faults and flaws.

The Hero fights on still, but at this point he has more than earned his stature. He proved a self described Socialist can do very well even with the world against him and claim about 46% in this process. Imagine the field in 4 to 8 years when the country is more left wing, fewer baby boomers and likely a continued anemic economy? Bernie is only the first, there will be legions more.

[therayeffect]

You know what people didn't think it was a conspiracy? The people praying it would ruin her.

Go on and marinate on that for a moment.

I'm sorry but the email-situation isn't just a 'conspiracy'. She really fucked up and anyone else would be in jail right now with their knees knocking together hoping they don't get charged with espionage. Hell, most people wouldn't even be able to DO what she did. It's pretty obvious she thinks she's above the law. I think she's a slimebag but I honestly have yet to see any solid evidence that she's innocent. People keep trying to link 'intent' but intent doesn't matter when all they need is negligence when it comes to messing up shit.

[Blur4stuff]

It's time to accept he lost and then be real fucking glad he ran. He's done a tremendous amount of good for the country.

[therayeffect]

There will be another Bernie, likely a better Bernie. As a great a man as he was he had his faults and flaws.

The Hero fights on still, but at this point he has more than earned his stature. He proved a self described Socialist can do very well even with the world against him and claim about 46% in this process. Imagine the field in 4 to 8 years when the country is more left wing, fewer baby boomers and likely a continued anemic economy? Bernie is only the first, there will be legions more.

Hopefully the crazy SJWs don't ruin this dream of yours. People my age and younger are so amazingly liberal that it's a matter of time, as far as I can tell. Hopefully the far-left doesn't ruin things like they're doing in Europe and then we swing super hard-right again. Another Clinton in office might do that again. I hope I'm wrong.

[Dextroden]

There will be another Bernie, likely a better Bernie. As a great a man as he was he had his faults and flaws.

The Hero fights on still, but at this point he has more than earned his stature. He proved a self described Socialist can do very well even with the world against him and claim about 46% in this process. Imagine the field in 4 to 8 years when the country is more left wing, fewer baby boomers and likely a continued anemic economy? Bernie is only the first, there will be legions more.

And the democratic party, like they did after Nader, will more than likely put in failsafes to tank another "I'm running on your ticket but fuck you guys" candidate. Sore Loser laws exist for a reason.

[therayeffect]

It's time to accept he lost and then be real fucking glad he ran. He's done a tremendous amount of good for the country.

It's not over until the fat lady sings! ...Or more like the grumpy FBI head says 'no charges' I guess. I should stop paying attention to the election since all it's doing is frustrating me.

[Skroe]

Sorry to break this to you, but Warren threw herself under the bus by a) not endorsing Sanders a long time ago back when he would've needed that endorsement, and b) now endorsing Hillary. That's all her own doing.

Sanders will follow suite if he endorses Hillary.

What's "crazed" is compromising and voting for a bad candidate just to avoid a worse one. That's what's insane.

This is fucking gold.

You know what extremists always do? Look for sources of impurity within their faction.

You've now successfully turned on Elizabeth Warren, one of the most liberal members of the US Senate.


Anyway, you're not even American. Enjoy your vacation.

[Dextroden]

It's time to accept he lost and then be real fucking glad he ran. He's done a tremendous amount of good for the country.

Nope. Instead, it's time to flip tables because your guy lost. That's how politics works.