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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    Most people didn't see naxxramas in vanilla, so it was ok to reuse it (I enjoyed it a lot, even if it was a bit easy).
    People talk about doing content. Reusing a raid is not "new" even if not everyone saw it. They were reused assets and you know how people rage about reusing assets.

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    Highmaul was just dead boring, it felt like dungeon content in raid format apart from the last 2 bosses..

    Along with the fact we were all getting Mythic gear from Garrison making it almost all utterly trivial by the last few weeks before BRF. As a heroic 10-12 man group we felt like Highmaul was done pretty quickly into the release. BRF was just the right level of difficulty when it was released in our HC/M HM gear, If garrisons hadn't been upgrading all our raiders with mythic gear Highmaul would have remained a challenge for us and the first few bosses of BRF would have been a challenge rather than just fall over loot pinata.

    If anything they should have had 2pc tier dropping from final 2 bosses of HM and the other pieces dropping in BRF. They never should have given gear in garrison that was a difficulty above what your previous lockout pretty much making the content you are running utterly redundant before you even killed the last boss. Then they should have probably released BRF a little later, a month sounds about right.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Ula View Post
    Well that's what it is - As soon as you separate gear, you invalidate other content of the same patch.

    I imagine, like my experience, most stopped bothering with lower HFC, if not for the odd BiS item for select classes. And that frustrated me that this large raid, became a small one.

    Much like Highmaul, Blackrock totally removed that raid.
    1. This doesn't make them different tiers.
    2. This is why they are making the time difference between these 2 raids (of the same tier) further apart.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    It came out way too soon...
    Highmaul came out on December 2nd. BRF February 3rd. 2 month gap between these two.

    It could make sense for the gap to be longer if BRF was meant to be the 2nd tier, which it wasn't. Players were out of stuff to do VERY quickly in WoD, so much so that most of my friends stopped playing before they even got to see a boss in Blackrock Foundry. Seriously, Highmaul itself was not enough, not after expansions like Cataclysm, WotLK or BC that gave access to way bigger and more plentiful raids at start. And those expansions didn't have another thing that pulled them down - absolutely nothing to do outside of raiding. How long would you like the players to kill Kargath over and over for another tier to be released?

    If anything, this is some worrying news. It might mean that the content will again be delayed and spread thin, it might suggest that they are well aware that they need to do that. In WoD the problem wasn't that HM and BRF gap was small, it was that they didn't come out together as they should have, with another raid coming after that, and ending on HFC. Two tiers killed the expansion. Hopefully they aren't trying that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    1. This doesn't make them different tiers.
    2. This is why they are making the time difference between these 2 raids (of the same tier) further apart.
    Which basically makes them two tiers as they won't be raided at the same time, and they provide drastically different rewards in terms of power.

    Every other tier has been a flat line in terms of rewards where there has been multiple raids.

    So they're essentially making a stepping stone, and then legions tier 1.

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    Idk why people act like Highmaul was more than just the bread of the feast.

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    Why did everyone act like HM was WoD's first tier raid? Lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ula View Post
    Every other tier has been a flat line in terms of rewards where there has been multiple raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    grats on your first and only post.

    No it was way too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    grats on your first and only post.

    No it was way too soon.
    How would it be better if you waited another month farming a 7 boss raid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    It almost completely replaced Highmaul within only like 2-3 months of launch. Way too soon.
    Made even worse by WOD only having two major content patches with the one minor one that added the heirloom stuff but did not really add anything that had not already been finished at that point.

    So BRF wound up releasing way to soon which forced hellfire to probably get released sooner than it should have been and then you get a huge over a year long gap after hellfire to twiddle our thumbs waiting for legion. Had they spaced it out better you could have had like a 6-8 month gap which while still long is way easier for people to tolerate than well over a year we currently got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    How would it be better if you waited another month farming a 7 boss raid?
    Most guilds that had the skill and will to clear it didnt have time because they dont raid as often and for them adding 2 months to highmaul wouldve been perfect (if they wouldve also postponed hfc by 2 months) ofc this would have led to even less content in the game at a time but still, it only helps more casual players, and I dont think it hurts the hardcore raiders that much since it just spaces out the content drought more throughout the expac

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    It almost completely replaced Highmaul within only like 2-3 months of launch. Way too soon.
    3 months whitout new content riads or dungeons should be max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenseiei View Post
    People talk about doing content. Reusing a raid is not "new" even if not everyone saw it. They were reused assets and you know how people rage about reusing assets.
    The only complaint back in the day was that the instance was too easy. But everybody was happy to see Naxx again. I was in a guild who already completed naxxramas in vanilla and everyone was fine with it, as that instance was regarded as a really good one.

    As I already said, very few people actually got to finish Naxxramas (let alone enter it) back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    The only complaint back in the day was that the instance was too easy. But everybody was happy to see Naxx again. I was in a guild who already completed naxxramas in vanilla and everyone was fine with it, as that instance was regarded as a really good one.

    As I already said, very few people actually got to finish Naxxramas (let alone enter it) back in the day.
    Everyone was happy until they got inside it, which was less than 20 hours since release, and started to shit on it.

    We are not talking about it then, we are talking about looking back, when people "WotlK was such an awesome exp", when it was full of holes that were covered up by the fact that it was the Lich King expansion. Naxxramas was still a reuse of assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenseiei View Post
    Everyone was happy until they got inside it, which was less than 20 hours since release, and started to shit on it.

    We are not talking about it then, we are talking about looking back, when people "WotlK was such an awesome exp", when it was full of holes that were covered up by the fact that it was the Lich King expansion. Naxxramas was still a reuse of assets.
    While some people were unhappy with the difficulty of naxxramas, there were a lot of happy players too (despite being easy, Naxx 80 was lots of fun). Also, Sartharion HM or malygos 6 min were decent challenge on the side while waiting on ulduar.

    Most hardcore players were actually happy to be able to take a short break after BC and sunwell (which were one hell of a ride).
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    They could have saved themselves a lot of grief and released BRF with 6.1 instead of just three weeks before. BRF came out on February 3rd and the fabled 6.1 bunch-of-nothing patch was February 24th. Was a really dumb way to do it seeing how people reacted to 6.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    It almost completely replaced Highmaul within only like 2-3 months of launch. Way too soon.
    Highmaul was short and simple, and you're saying 2-3 months wasn't enough time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundering View Post
    3 months whitout new content riads or dungeons should be max.
    Then we haven't had a good patch for you since 3.3. And probably quite a few terrible ones between 2.4 and back to 1.0.
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    I for one of the few times, aggree with what he said, it came way to quickly, if they had, instead of making a 7 boss raid, a 11 or 12 boss raid for the HM, then wait a couple of months to release BRF you wouldn't be sitting on a 14 months HFC.

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    It came out too quickly, yes.

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