Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Bar

[Eviscero]

Try to keep what up?

With the conversation. He was obviously referring to his (mis)reading of MY post, not yours.

[Fadeslol]

No, but working with a nutbag conspiracy theorist doesn't earn him any trust points from me.

Oh ok, why is he a conspiracy theorist nutbag, just asking. and also, Tim is a famous special force solider, very smart so i think he knows what he is doing

[dd614]

This thread is one of the most vile ever seen on mmochampion, and there have been some horrible ones. Fuck this site is awful sometimes.

[PosPosPos]

Wrong again old time liberal.

The conservative platform is eerily similar to the motivations of ISIS, just saying.

[apples]

This thread is one of the most vile ever seen on mmochampion, and there have been some horrible ones. Fuck this site is awful sometimes.

mods are asleep though so no one cares

[Azgraal]

The headlines say shooting, but you have to read the actual articles.

I did, yeah. But all of those that I've paid attention to are quick to say the perpetrator wasn't on the terrorist watch list, and reassure people it wasn't an act of terrorist.

[Joresh]

It appears to be a terrorist attack, Omar Mateen apparently pledged allegiance to ISIS

[Slant]

You are trying to simplify a complex issue and that is why you are clearly frustrated.

The two possible solutions I gave are ones that work within the confines of current laws. They have problems sure and will not instantly solve everything but neither will as you phrased it "total and unconditional gun control". That in itself has huge, gaping issues.

For one like you mentioned, America has a huge gun industry. One that is large enough that getting rid of it would have economic ramifications. Secondly, Americans have a love for guns in the culture, many people shoot for recreation. Thirdly, Americans place a lot of value on liberty.

And the biggest issue of all, you cannot seriously expect to enforce a gun ban with hundreds of millions of guns already owned legally in the country with an uncounted for amount of illegal ones which would increase into a huge, fully fledged black market in the wake of a ban. It would be the second rise of organized crime in America.

Look at the failures of the war on drugs or prohibition if you seriously expect a nationwide firearms ban to work.

Blablabla, the America of the 60s didn't think if it was possible to send people to the moon, they just decided to do it and they just fucking did it. They invented the technology as they went along. The America of THOSE DAYS wouldn't respond with "gaping issues yadda yadda laws blabla economy omg so many guns so much work oh how can we ever manage to get them"

Well, you will never be able to if you never start. So how about you lot stop talking bullshit and start acting? Cos talking bullshit is what you did the past decade and you haven't accomplished jack shit in those years since Columbine.

[Saeran]

mods are asleep though so no one cares

It seems so to me too. Agree wholeheartedly with dd614 opinion.

[Fadeslol]

I know you didn't, but rather I was advising that you report the posts of the individual who is flaming by resorting to making personal insults, as again, I have already done.

Gun ownership is my constitutional right, and they can take my guns over my cold dead body too!

Well then it would be OUR cold dead body and well, freedom of speech for him.

[wowaccounttom]

I did, yeah. But all of those that I've paid attention to are quick to say the perpetrator wasn't on the terrorist watch list, and reassure people it wasn't an act of terrorist.

then wtf do they call it? fun times at the gay bar?

[Annoying]

Jeez, what a terrible thing to wake up to. That being said...

This is a thread about a mass shooting in Orlando. Please don't derail into discussing gay marriage or sexuality.

[Ins0mnia]

sick shit this is.

[Deleted]

Wrong again old time liberal.

Yes and no.

NBC are reporting that is was not a Islamic issue, but was purely a hate crime according to his father:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...hooter-n590496

[Chrysia]

I did, yeah. But all of those that I've paid attention to are quick to say the perpetrator wasn't on the terrorist watch list, and reassure people it wasn't an act of terrorist.

And the ones I've read (primarily US sources) have done the opposite, citing FBI claims of "potential Islamic extremist ties" and that "this is being investigated as an act of terrorism (recently specified as domestic, since he's US born.)"

[Cizr]

Marriage has existed long before any religion tried to make it their own thing. A man engaged in a civil union with another man are married to eachother. Deal with it.

when did I mention religion ?
and yeah marriage existed long before. Marriage between man and woman.

[Saeran]

It appears to be a terrorist attack, Omar Mateen apparently pledged allegiance to ISIS

Does it really?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...hooter-n590496

[Notter]

Religion will always be more important then gayrights. Thats how the world rocks.

but it's totally insane, when the gay community are defending Islam.

maybe this will be a wake up call for them. (not likely)

[apples]

when did I mention religion ?
and yeah marriage existed long before. Marriage between man and woman.

gay marriage existed in ancient rome dawg

[vrsick]

This thread is one of the most vile ever seen on mmochampion, and there have been some horrible ones. Fuck this site is awful sometimes.

Are you surprised though. I would be far more surprised if we had a thread full of respectful, intelligent, and calm discussion.