[Movie] Warcraft (June 2016)

[Fenixdown]

Warcraft made almost 91% of it's BO earning so far internationally. Just 9% came from domestic box office. Wowza.

The film is sitting at 286 mil so far but projections have Warcraft dropping about 14% per day before Finding Dory clears the BO next week.

Warcraft is only the 19th highest grossing video game adaption ever. Tomb Raider and Angry Birds are #1 and #2 respectively.

If that's not your sign that this movie is a complete failure, I don't know what is. When it can't even beat fucking Angry Birds...

They shoulda just started with the Dragon Aspects. That woulda pulled more people in. People like dragons.

[jdbond592]

It's straight out of Duncan's mouth... He said some of it could be dropped back in and other stuff still needed work. That means more money. Get over it and accept that Duncan fucked up. I don't blame him really, it's his first big budget film and he overreached. It happens and we just have to hope the film makes another $200M+ to help ensure a sequel.

I don't think making another 200m will guarantee any sequel. I don't think that's how it works. Besides, movie will turn profit even if comes short on box office. You are correct about Duncan Jones over reaching. Cost of CGI in this movie is prohibitive considering how cheap actors were. I am still trying to figure out how this movie was designed for general audience. They rewrote the story but made Orc hands as big as they are in-game?


Now we know that Warcraft has little or no future on US box office. Unless next possible sequel is panned as second coming of Christ, general audience is again going to ignore it.

[Numbars]

When did this become the budget thread? like holy butts.

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[QUOTE=Vegas82;40853199]It's straight out of Duncan's mouth... He said some of it could be dropped back in and other stuff still needed work. That means more money. Get over it and accept that Duncan fucked up. I don't blame him really, it's his first big budget film and he overreached. It happens and we just have to hope the film makes another $200M+ to help ensure a sequel.

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Just seeing the character videos and leaked footage shows that most of the scenes have their cgi done I would wager the minority of cut scenes are unfinished

[Faier]

Steadfast had nothing to do with it. He didn't make the Orcs the highlight of the film and so he was out for someone / anyone else who was willing to bend over ass backwards to put orcs in the limelight. Jones was that patsy in my book and I think it hurt the film overall. Too much focus on orc. To much money on just them leaving the rest for whatever they could piece together (money, script lines, scenes, etc...)

Its more like Raimi wanted to make Warcraft focused on the human side. Blizzard wasn't very pleased and never greenlit the project, up to the point that Raimi dropped it. Then came Duncan Jones and proposed the make it 50/50. As is Warcraft. Blizzard loved it. But in the process of making it, they were worried people wouldn't connect with CGI Orcs, and spent a lot of energy making them work (Duncan made a comment along these lines). They succeeded in that, but that ended up hurting the human side of the story.
Now that they know Orcs can stand by their own, I bet you the sequel won't have such a issue.

[daywalker02]

It's straight out of Duncan's mouth... He said some of it could be dropped back in and other stuff still needed work. That means more money. Get over it and accept that Duncan fucked up. I don't blame him really, it's his first big budget film and he overreached. It happens and we just have to hope the film makes another $200M+ to help ensure a sequel.

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It's also not accurate. Warcraft only needs something like another $50M to be the top VG adaptation of all time. It will most assuredly get that.

Why should I accept when there is no source? And what if it needed more money? Universal is coming off a year with Jurassic World making huge profit, I mean huge profit.

WTH man, what if it needed a couple of millions, we are talking about Universal, Legendary and their Chinese partners with their sack of gold

And you are babbling about couple of millions, this is no indie movie, money should be spend where it is necessary.

If the studio feels Duncan has screwed up in any way, he won't be back, as simple as that.

But if they are counting on him, it means they value his work and his input, allowing more money to enter it is only natural if they believe in him

Good thing you are not the studio head.

Don't act like this movie has done really bad financially because it has not, and you have to wait another month to conclude anything

[jdbond592]

I think Sam Raimi's adaptation would have bombed, and a lot of us would be up in arms.

At least most Warcraft fans I know are pleased with what Duncan did. The haters will always hate. It's what they do.

You are pleased with a overpriced, badly acted, poorly told story that took 270m to arrive at box office? Well I am not sure if this movie needs actual haters. You guys are ruining any chance of sequel as it is.


You know, Sam Raimi atleast would have told a story. China still would have watched it. US likely would have bombed less. 90% viewers came for Warcraft because they wanted to see a Warcraft movie. Who directed it and what was the story had little impact on their willingness to watch this movie. You think Chinese wouldn't have come for Sam Raimi's version?

[daywalker02]

You are pleased with a overpriced, badly acted, poorly told story that took 270m to arrive at box office? Well I am not sure if this movie needs actual haters. You guys are ruining any chance of sequel as it is.


You know, Sam Raimi atleast would have told a story. China still would have watched it. US likely would have bombed less. 90% viewers came for Warcraft because they wanted to see a Warcraft movie. Who directed it and what was the story had little impact on their willingness to watch this movie. You think Chinese wouldn't have come for Sam Raimi's version?

You know Sam Raimi's priority was not Warcraft alone, he had the Wizard of OZ reboot with James Franco and other projects.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=oz.htm

He just was not into Warcraft like Duncan was. If you have to choose between a director that can give the franchise only 80 percent or the 100% guy who is a fanatic

It is going to be Jones any day, every day. All about commitment

[jdbond592]

Its more like Raimi wanted to make Warcraft focused on the human side. Blizzard wasn't very pleased and never greenlit the project, up to the point that Raimi dropped it. Then came Duncan Jones and proposed the make it 50/50. As is Warcraft. Blizzard loved it. But in the process of making it, they were worried people wouldn't connect with CGI Orcs, and spent a lot of energy making them work (Duncan made a comment along these lines). They succeeded in that, but that ended up hurting the human side of the story.
Now that they know Orcs can stand by their own, I bet you the sequel won't have such a issue.

I can imagine Metzen is snickering somewhere Right now most people (I mean aleast 90%) think future sequels will focus on second and third war. They just want to see Arthas and Illidan. Imagine their surprise when they learn that these guys will make cameo at best and story will focus around Green Jesus. Not that it can't be a good story. Thrall was much liked before cata. Thrall is not arthas though and few will care for a trilogy with Thrall being the focus (worse, Orcs). This whole thing feels like WoW expansions where Blizzard reduced alliance to background actors while horde took the center-stage, for good or bad. One the prime reason why Warcraft is doing average in many places is due to this. Most people simply don't care for Orcs or Thrall or even humans.

[renatompassos]

The duel was a brilliant display of orc culture and values. Lothar just killed their leader, and what do the orcs do? Salute him. Such a simple, but powerful scene.

Man what an awesome observation! Absolutely agree.
The salt is strong around here...

[renatompassos]

I can imagine Metzen is snickering somewhere Right now most people (I mean aleast 90%) think future sequels will focus on second and third war. They just want to see Arthas and Illidan. Imagine their surprise when they learn that these guys will make cameo at best and story will focus around Green Jesus. Not that it can't be a good story. Thrall was much liked before cata. Thrall is not arthas though and few will care for a trilogy with Thrall being the focus (worse, Orcs). This whole thing feels like WoW expansions where Blizzard reduced alliance to background actors while horde took the center-stage, for good or bad. One the prime reason why Warcraft is doing average in many places is due to this. Most people simply don't care for Orcs or Thrall or even humans.

Sooo wrong. Orcs vs humans is the essence and soul of Warcraft dude. I guarantee you it was a dream come true to any true Warcraft fan, seeing that universe come alive beautifully (and brutally as it should be), at least for those who played WCII and III.

[daywalker02]

I can imagine Metzen is snickering somewhere Right now most people (I mean aleast 90%) think future sequels will focus on second and third war. They just want to see Arthas and Illidan. Imagine their surprise when they learn that these guys will make cameo at best and story will focus around Green Jesus. Not that it can't be a good story. Thrall was much liked before cata. Thrall is not arthas though and few will care for a trilogy with Thrall being the focus (worse, Orcs). This whole thing feels like WoW expansions where Blizzard reduced alliance to background actors while horde took the center-stage, for good or bad. One the prime reason why Warcraft is doing average in many places is due to this. Most people simply don't care for Orcs or Thrall or even humans.

Well you can do spin off movies. With characters that are not considered to be No1 characters in the lore.

Arthas, Sylvanas, Cairne, Tyrande, Malfurion, Illidan, hell, even Undead Moroes if he is well liked and interesting enough

Best example: That attorney Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad, got his own show

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You really do sound ridiculous at this point. The a couple million would be the cost to render another 40 minutes of cinematic CGI. Universal doesn't make money by just throwing unlimited amounts at an unproven IP(likewise with Legendary who is the company that actually made the movie). And where am I acting like the movie has done really bad financially? I was correcting other people who were incorrectly stating its current standing on the list of VG movies. If this is how brats are going to act when they make these movies I hope it doesn't get a sequel at this point.

I'm getting really tired of people putting words in my mouth. I don't mean anything but what I say. Don't ascribe intentions just because you have concocted this weird narrative in your head where people are unfairly attacking this film and hoping for it to fail. I've been actively hoping for a sequel for a while now which means I've been actively hoping for this move to break $500M at the box office(the break even point). With Finding Dory opening next week making another $200M+ could prove difficult given the trends that have been observed. Thus, we hope it makes that quickly and we get some positive news regarding a sequel.

I have no problem with you or your take on things. Ok if have put any untrue words in your mouth, then I will try to be more careful next time.

But never force people to believe in your shtick because you think you know more than others.

I will read what you say and take it into consideration, that is only fair but nothing more. Thanks.

I could not care less about the film's reception because I am content with watching Warcraft on screen, I waited long for this, and it happened.

Everything else is gravy.

If we agree on that we want the sequel, why this hate on Duncan Jones, I just cannot understand that, sorry.

[Faier]

Jones did say in a tweet that some scenes would need to be worked on. Yes that will cost money. But o did for all these other films that got an extended cut. That doenst mean they need to start from scratch though.

You can clearly notice by his wording that Duncan wasnt very happy about having those minutes cut. He even refers to the longer one as his cut.

Just to make clear, his cut doesnt mean everything that was shot. Many scenes or pieces of dialog are cut in the process. His cut is simply his vision of what the film should be from what was shot and considering the budget restrains.

From what I understand the troll raid was shot but dropped early on post. Am I right?

The 100M budget was annnounced about 10 years. Major releases already had much bigger budgets by then. The budget info was never updated since then, up until the update to 160M 1 year ago. That doenst mean the budget went from 100 to 160 at post.
It was very likely updated by something like 140-150 when Duncan started working on the project and then increased some extra millions with the extended post.

[daywalker02]

It's not hate genius. It's called valid criticism. I want a sequel, but I honestly don't think I want Duncan anywhere near it at this point. The movie itself isn't why I want a sequel, as I think it leaves quite a bit to be desire. The reason I want a sequel is because I'm a fan of high fantasy and Warcraft itself. I would love to see a better version of this world put on screen than the mediocrity we got this go around. And, hey good news for me, he's not under contract to continue with the franchise if they do give a sequel the go ahead. If they decide to go with him, that's fine, but I'm not going to hold my breath for the movies to get any better.

Again I am not into heated arguments when we know just a fragment of all.

Over the course of more time, we will know more. Duncan Jones won't go anywhere as far as I am concerned. You either live with it or I guess do not watch it.

Yup, in case he might get dropped, he was an invaluable asset.

If you keep sacking your assets, your team or unit won't grow.

[Vallon]

I enjoyed the movie. Lothar's son acting was flat and I didnt care at all would be my criticism.

[Faier]

With the director's cut...I hope they save some bucks to make Garona's teeth less white and make elves look less weird. =]

[jdbond592]

Sooo wrong. Orcs vs humans is the essence and soul of Warcraft dude. I guarantee you it was a dream come true to any true Warcraft fan, seeing that universe come alive beautifully (and brutally as it should be), at least for those who played WCII and III.

Just where exactly these Warcraft "fans" live, I wonder? Don't tell me, America, where the game was first launched. Well they sure came out in millions!

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I enjoyed the movie. Lothar's son acting was flat and I didnt care at all would be my criticism.

You aren't supposed to care about Lothar's son. You're supposed to care about Lothar losing his son.

[jdbond592]

Invaluable at going over the budget I suppose... And who's heated? You keep assigning this hate to me are you sure it's not you projecting? DJ won't go anywhere as far as you're concerned... good thing nobody is consulting you on that one.

If there is a green-lit, I think lot of people are getting pinkslips. Very first thing they need to do is find new guys to write script and dialogues..

[daywalker02]

Invaluable at going over the budget I suppose... And who's heated? You keep assigning this hate to me are you sure it's not you projecting? DJ won't go anywhere as far as you're concerned... good thing nobody is consulting you on that one.

So you think I hate Jones haters? Your reverse psychology is futile here. You go your way, I go mine, we might all be Warcraft fans and fans of the lore but I do not mind splitting factions.

My philosophy as stated above: I am content with just watching the movie, everything else is gravy, no high expectations

You are the one enticing me to have higher expectations and suggest most fault goes to Duncan.

If nothing else, this is another useless dialogue. Have your last word if you must. No damn is given.

It's straight out of Duncan's mouth... He said some of it could be dropped back in and other stuff still needed work. That means more money. Get over it and accept that Duncan fucked up. I don't blame him really, it's his first big budget film and he overreached.

BTW I have to accept nothing just because you say so. Get over yourself

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If there is a green-lit, I think lot of people are getting pinkslips. Very first thing they need to do is find new guys to write script and dialogues..

Or hire one or more specialists in dialogues

[Tackhisis]

Medivh went to Draenor during the 6-year period between the Troll-attack and the movie, yet how could he then be Garona's father? How old is Garona?

When there is a troll attack Lothar has no son yet, so it was some 20 years ago, not 6.