[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

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Fucking Sanders fans man. Maybe, when a politician is talking about national unity after a horrific crime she's not talking about kissing ass to the supporters of the guy who lost the primary?

Well, depends on what kind of unity she's talking about, of course. Perhaps she was talking about unity against terrorists and crazed gunmen, which is understandable obviously. However, if she was using the horrific crime to get political points among Sanders' supporters and call political unity, then that's perhaps not quite as good.

[Skroe]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...exclusive-poll

Nearly six times as many Bernie Sanders supporters are prepared to shift their support to Hillary Clinton than vote for Donald Trump in November, according to an exclusive new poll which suggests Democrats are in a strong position to convert energy from their passionate primary contest into general election success.

The nearly 6-to-1 preference of these core Sanders supporters to switch to Clinton rather than Trump is also supported by a finding that only 7% of them said they would vote for Sanders as a protest “against Hillary Clinton”.

You're done Sydänyö. Go home.

[Dextroden]

So, what should Sanders to get people like, me, Brer and Skroe as a lazy example, to vote for him? I keep hearing on and on about how Clinton and Trump shouldn't expect votes. Why should Sanders? What makes him some metahuman politician that he should expect support for running against Trump? That he is above suspicion?

Food for thought.

[PACOX]

Well, first of all, Sanders isn't "supporting Clinton", as far as I know. He's still heading for the contested convention in July.

Secondly, what Sanders says means little. If Sanders says "hey let's all support Hillary", his supporters will ask "why?", because him just saying it won't change who Clinton is. His supporters support him because of what he represents. If he suddenly represents Hillary, they stop supporting him.

He says that he backs Clinton but won't concede. Passively says that he can't win but that he will rid it out until the convention.

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He says that he backs Clinton

Do you have a direct quote for this or is this just the earlier propaganda of how he "vows" (a term he never used) to work with Clinton?

[Vynestra]

Tomorrow is the real end to the primary, where Sanders will more than likely concede in the coming days, tomorrow night he will speak to Clinton.

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Also expect a Clinton landslide to end off the primary. Wow, how far have we come since Iowa.

[Matchles]

And how much money was she required to spend on all the extremely positive stories written about her by CNN and MSNBC? Or how much did she pay when all of the damn articles about Sanders linked to that obvious hit piece asking him super loaded questions and trying to blame him for Sandy Hook massacre? Literally Google is censoring search links in her favor. How much does Google cost? Sanders has been fighting an ocean of Big Money from day 1. There's even 1 MILLION dollars being thrown at the internet in order to bog down good people with basic and lame posts.

Your arguments have been hilarious.

You need to step out of the reddit echo chamber. The google story is bull shit. They aren't censoring anyone. They don't suggest negative shit on their name searches. Search Donald Trump you get, "Donald Trump, Donald Trump twitter, Donald Trump wife, Donald Trump Orlando (a new one). Search Bernie Sanders you get, "Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders poll, Bernie Sanders age, Bernie Sanders news." Search Clinton you get "Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton twitter, Hillary Clinton email, Hillary Clinton age."

Just because the search doesn't return "Hillary Clinton is a lying bitch" first doesn't mean there is something going down. Want to know why actual news sources didn't cover this? Because this is stupid blogger shit that means nothing. Want to see how easy it is to manipulate a search? Go search "Hillary Clinton ly"... Oh look the first return is "Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes." Gee, either she didn't pay Google enough or it was some dumb shit blogger thinking they could convince you rubes that something sketchy was going down.

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Something other than expecting Sanders' supporters to vote for her just because she's going up against Trump. To represent them in some meaningful way. Whatever Sanders did to get them activated and off of their asses, she should continue doing.

Or, the alternative is, of course, to not do that, in which case, not good for Hillary.

5000 votes from the TYT audience gave a 86% never Hillary result on the website and app.
15000 votes from a Youtube poll, 81% never Hillary.
Combined total of 83% never Hillary, over 20000 votes, in one day.



Obviously the TYT audience leans heavily towards Sanders, but hey, how big is their audience? Underestimate them at your peril, I guess. And, I mean, of course the percentage gets much lower for other Sanders supporters, but how low? That'll be the question.

Fuck I'm so glad I stopped listening to TYT. Even when it was for shits and giggles. Cenk spends the entire primary shitting on Clinton and lying about her and surprise surprise his viewers won't support her. He puts on a poorly sourced straw man of a show and we should be surprised when his viewers are dumb as shit?

[Dextroden]

One more thing. If you will casually glance over to the Bernie reddit, you will notice a push to get certain politicians elected in certain spots. A small mentioning of getting rid of the establishment. Should be a fun show.

[announced]

Saw this video, seems kinda interesting. it mentions Election fraud in CA and why Bernie could draw crowds of thousands while Clinton barely filled a classroom of 20 yet he still lost California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoGeDGHmwJU

article down below
http://justicegazette.org/bernie-defrauded-in-ca.html

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Interestingly enough, at the point when all of the media outlets claimed "100%" of California's votes were tallied, giving Hillary 1.9 million votes and Bernie 1.5 million votes, around TWO MILLION ballots were still uncounted. Since then, Hillary's lead in California has dropped somewhat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...for-a-miracle/
https://www.rt.com/usa/346685-sander...counties-flip/

Whether this changes anything as far as the total pledged delegates go, it's still hilarious. This isn't "democracy". You've got 5.5 million people voting and you dismiss 2 million of those? What?

[Kasierith]

Saw this video, seems kinda interesting. it mentions Election fraud in CA and why Bernie could draw crowds of thousands while Clinton barely filled a classroom of 20 yet he still lost California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoGeDGHmwJU

article down below
http://justicegazette.org/bernie-defrauded-in-ca.html

Clinton can barely fill a classroom of 20? That's news to anyone who pays attention to anything outside of their little bubble. As for having larger audiences overall, that's the entire point of being a populist. The people supporting Clinton are far more well established in working Americans who don't have a ton of time to spare, and if they did the support for Clinton is based more on an objective weighing and finding that her interests are mutual, as opposed to being attracted to a cult of personality.

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The people supporting Clinton are far more well established in working Americans who don't have a ton of time to spare

This just seems like a completely unnecessary insult and a dig at Sanders' supporters, insinuating they're not "working Americans".

[infinitemeridian]

Can't wait for Sanders to endorse Clinton. Betting it will happen by the end of this week.

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Can't wait for Sanders to endorse Clinton. Betting it will happen by the end of this week.

How do you think that will affect the people who have supported him so far? A good portion of them are already in the "never Hillary" -camp. Do you think him suddenly supporting Hillary, after he's kept saying he will go all the way to the convention all this time, thus completely turning his coat and eating his words, will drive even more of his supporters into that camp, or no?

One thing to remember is, though, that Jill Stein is running for president as well, and she won't be dropping out at any point. Would Sanders alienating his own supporters by endorsing Hillary possibly drive them to vote Stein, instead?

[Kasierith]

This just seems like a completely unnecessary insult and a dig at Sanders' supporters, insinuating they're not "working Americans".

Only if you're dismissive towards college students. As someone who was until recently a college student, I can assure you that there was more than enough free time available if one was willing to trade study and even class time for it.

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Can't wait for Sanders to endorse Clinton. Betting it will happen by the end of this week.

Unlikely. By the looks of it, he's turning towards the Democratic party as a whole, as opposed to the presidency. He'll likely support them opposing Trump, but directly supporting Clinton would undermine any attempts he makes towards instituting change at the party level.

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Only if you're dismissive towards college students. As someone who was until recently a college student, I can assure you that there was more than enough free time available if one was willing to trade study and even class time for it.

Fair enough.

[Dextroden]

Only if you're dismissive towards college students. As someone who was until recently a college student, I can assure you that there was more than enough free time available if one was willing to trade study and even class time for it.

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Unlikely. By the looks of it, he's turning towards the Democratic party as a whole, as opposed to the presidency. He'll likely support them opposing Trump, but directly supporting Clinton would undermine any attempts he makes towards instituting change at the party level.

I welcome it. He'll get his digs in and then be shoved into the back of the drawer to be forgotten after the election.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...linton-meeting

“Sanders and Clinton agreed to continue working to develop a progressive agenda that addresses the needs of working families and the middle class and adopting a progressive platform for the Democratic National Convention,” Briggs said in the statement.

But Sanders has given no indication that he intends to drop out before the convention.

Bernie isn't "endorsing Clinton", nor is he going anywhere before July.

[PACOX]

Sanders might not be dropping out until July as part of his strategy to push Clinton further left he is starting to look like Kaisch did, you start to feel sorry for him because he simply won't throw in the towel. Well not exactly like Kaisch because Kaisch was still preaching that he could win, but Sanders is feeding a lot of less politically literate supporters false hope.


And lets say the .1% happens and all of Clinton's delegates switch to Sanders, winning via super delegates sort of goes against a lot of Sander's criticism about the DNC since that would mean completely ignoring the popular vote in favor of the establishment propping up a candidate.

You have a better chance of making it out of Hell wearing a pair of gasoline drawls than Sanders has winning the nomination. He only damages his clout with the DNC by not bringing it in while the DNC is focusing on Trump, not that he is a true Democrat anyway. Maybe he feels like he needs until July to get his die hards on board with Clinton

June 14 Washington DC primary results:

Clinton 16
Sanders 4

[Deleted]

You have a better chance of making it out of Hell wearing a pair of gasoline drawls than Sanders has winning the nomination. He only damages his clout with the DNC by not bringing it in while the DNC is focusing on Trump, not that he is a true Democrat anyway. Maybe he feels like he needs until July to get his die hards on board with Clinton

Sanders can still be the nominee, but that's with the superdelegates, and might require a very, very bad result from the criminal (statement just made by a judge) investigation into Hillary's emails.

However, at this point it's less about Sanders becoming the nominee, and more about what Hillary will do to gain enough of the 45-46% of the voters who are on Sanders' side. Thus far she has done nothing, and is apparently banking on Sanders' supporters to just simply magically change their minds and get behind her. If that's the situation even after the convention, then I don't know who's running her campaign because they're running it into the swamp.

It seems like Hillary and especially her supporters think like it's up to Sanders to somehow "convert" his supporters into Hillary supporters. That just happens to be an idea not tethered in reality. They still don't like what she represents, and Sanders' words don't change that.