Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Mayhem]

My reply was to:



Its not going to happen.

I don't see anything about wanting crazy people to own guns. I only pointed out the above solution will never happen.

Why won´t it happen? What´s the infringement for non crazy people?

[TITAN308]

Why won´t it happen? What´s the infringement for non crazy people?

Im not debating from a scholar or legal stand point, I'm just pointing out the realism. Its not going to happen.

It won't happen for the same reason my Corgi is not going to get up on two legs and tap dance.

Is it possible? Sure. Will it happen? No.

[Ghostpanther]

No, that is not my argument.

My argument is that you should stop crazy people from owning any guns, and to that end, you should get rid of all carry licenses and replace them with what we have in Finland, ownership licenses (so you can transport a gun from your home to the range, whether shooting or hunting), and then make it extremely arduous for anyone to apply for a license and eventually get it (extremely meticulous background checks, membership of a hunting/shooting club, written test, and so on.) And, of course, simply make assault rifles and such weapons unavailable to the public, as they've been in the past.

Eventually those who deserve to have a gun will have a gun.

I guess this needs to be pointed again for the uptenth time...there are over 300 million firearms in the US. If you were to say no person can buy a firearm without the strict requirements you mentioned and all weapons are required to be turned in, eventually after hundreds of years you might reach your goal. :P

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Im not debating from a scholar or legal stand point, I'm just pointing out the realism. Its not going to happen.

It won't happen for the same reason my Corgi is not going to get up on two legs and tap dance.

Is it possible? Sure. Will it happen? No.

True. It is a bit like making everyone learn Finnish or German. Not happening here.

[TwoNineMarine]

People have to understand the amount of weapons in this country. It borders right around 300 million weapons.

If we were starting out fresh, no weapons in the hands of the citizenry, and you wanted to implement Finland's plan then it could possibly work.

But how is that sort of thing is supposed to work when there is already 300 million weapons in play? It's impossible.

[Mayhem]

Im not debating from a scholar or legal stand point, I'm just pointing out the realism. Its not going to happen.

It won't happen for the same reason my Corgi is not going to get up on two legs and tap dance.

Is it possible? Sure. Will it happen? No.

So you´re not open to discussing how crazy people can be prevented from owning guns because it won´t happen.

I don´t get it. Are you against gun control for no reason now?

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People have to understand the amount of weapons in this country. It borders right around 300 million weapons.

If we were starting out fresh, no weapons in the hands of the citizenry, and you wanted to implement Finland's plan then it could possibly work.

But how is that sort of thing is supposed to work when there is already 300 million weapons in play? It's impossible.

Simple, it will happen over time.

[TITAN308]

So you´re not open to discussing how crazy people can be prevented from owning guns because it won´t happen.

I don´t get it. Are you against gun control for no reason now?

I am against any gun control that directly effects me as a law abiding citizen based on someone who is crazy or is not a law abiding citizen.

I don't particularly care to be punished for the action of others. I had assumed this is a normal train of thought.

[Ghostpanther]

I am against any gun control that directly effects me as a law abiding citizen based on someone who is crazy or is not a law abiding citizen.

I don't particularly care to be punished for the action of others. I had assumed this is a normal train of thought.

Not for some. And some can get into a argumentative stance where you are constantly being asked the same question and they still do not get it. :P

[Stormdash]

People have to understand the amount of weapons in this country. It borders right around 300 million weapons.

If we were starting out fresh, no weapons in the hands of the citizenry, and you wanted to implement Finland's plan then it could possibly work.

But how is that sort of thing is supposed to work when there is already 300 million weapons in play? It's impossible.

Don't forget the number of 3D printers, drill presses, CNC machines, and the wide availability of the raw materials and specifications. Can't stop the signal

[TwoNineMarine]

Don't forget the number of 3D printers, drill presses, CNC machines, and the wide availability of the raw materials and specifications. Can't stop the signal

Yup. People can make them relatively easily and cheaply now.

But it won't though @Mayhem. Especially considering peoples lack of trust in the government.

[TITAN308]

Don't forget the number of 3D printers, drill presses, CNC machines, and the wide availability of the raw materials and specifications. Can't stop the signal

I like the argument: "Well don't regulate guns, regulate ammo"


*leans over and looks at his reloading equipment*

Well ok then... lol

[Ghostpanther]

I like the argument: "Well don't regulate guns, regulate ammo"


*leans over and looks at his reloading equipment*

Well ok then... lol

lol! Yeah,to prevent what Timothy McVeigh did , we would need to ban private purchases of fertilizer.

[Stormdash]

Yup. People can make them relatively easily and cheaply now.

But it won't though @Mayhem. Especially considering peoples lack of trust in the government.

I've been wanting a 1911, and lately I've been thinking I'd go through the long route of building it up from an 80% frame and parts, because... well, America. I have to actually operate the machine myself, right, specialist can only coach?

[TITAN308]

I posted this in the other thread, but probably a good idea to drop it here as well:

NRA Statement on Terror Watchlists

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2016

Fairfax, Va.— The executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox, released the following statement regarding terror watchlists:


We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.

Can someone explain to me, has the the NRA been or not been stopping this from happening?

People keep saying its the NRA's fault it wasn't done in first place, but the NRA is stating their stance has not changed and they have always approved of it.

I am not a NRA member and never will be, so I've got two conflicting answers.

[Mayhem]

I am against any gun control that directly effects me as a law abiding citizen based on someone who is crazy or is not a law abiding citizen.

I don't particularly care to be punished for the action of others. I had assumed this is a normal train of thought.

You are not punished. A requirement isn´t a punishment.

[Stormdash]

The NRA is trying to split hairs to placate the level of emotionalism of the moment, but my understanding is this is the hair they've been splitting for a while.

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You are not punished. A requirement isn´t a punishment.

Sort of is, since the default assumption of a free society is that you don't need permission to do things.

[TwoNineMarine]

I've been wanting a 1911, and lately I've been thinking I'd go through the long route of building it up from an 80% frame and parts, because... well, America. I have to actually operate the machine myself, right, specialist can only coach?

Yep!!

I'd love a 1911 as well. If you go that route let me know how it goes.

I don't think I'd carry the 1911 as my EDC but it would be a blast to take to the range.

[Mayhem]

But it won't though @Mayhem. Especially considering peoples lack of trust in the government.

Yeah, if you don´t start it won´t, obviously. ^^

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Sort of is, since the default assumption of a free society is that you don't need permission to do things.

Such a society doesn´t exist. A functioning society needs regulations or else you have chaos everywhere because everyone can do whatever he feels like doing. I rarely see people arguing for anarchism.

[Ghostpanther]

I posted this in the other thread, but probably a good idea to drop it here as well:



Can someone explain to me, has the the NRA been or not been stopping this from happening?

People keep saying its the NRA's fault it wasn't done in first place, but the NRA is stating their stance has not changed and they have always approved of it.

I am not a NRA member and never will be, so I've got two conflicting answers.

The NRA has been and still is opposed to any attempt to not allow a person to exercise their second amendment rights based solely on the premise the person is on a watch list. They are not however oppose to the concept in general. As your link shows.

[TITAN308]

You are not punished. A requirement isn´t a punishment.

If I end with less rights or choices than I began with, based purely on nothing I personally did, I qualify that as a punishment.

[Mayhem]

lol! Yeah,to prevent what Timothy McVeigh did , we would need to ban private purchases of fertilizer.

Uhm, not prevent but regulate, like exactly what the US did.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...izer/31075955/