Well, it's happening, Trump is starting to lose bad in the polls..

[Gsara]

Some interesting news coming in about the poll results and the speech Trump made:

Scarborough: Donald Trump Has Decided To Throw This Election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._election.html


Ron Fournier: Donald Trump Lost The Presidency This Week When He Called Obama "A Traitor"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...a_traitor.html

Im not saying he is throwing it, but he has been a pretty big supporter of both Bill and Hillary Clinton over the last few decades so its possible I guess.

[Sky High]

I'm not going to throw in the towel for Trump just yet, we still have a few months to see this shit show reach it's pinnacle. it's going to be a fun ass ride till November.

[akris15]

The Orlando thing, tragic as it is, should have helped him. It played right into his hands. The things he said, completely ruined it. People are disgusted by him because of it. He's been making an ass out of himself even more than usual the last few days. Every democratic attack ad is going to have stuff like this mixed with "this person supports these horrible things trumps says". Every seat will be like that. So as a GOP member you have to decide if you should stand with him or run like hell and it would seem a lot are running.

This is why not a single senator who is up for re-election in a purple state has not directly came out to endorse Trump. Right now the GOP is basically thinking the presidency might be out of reach but at least we maintain the senate (aka status quo). On the bright side for Republicans they have a favorable map for the 2018 midterms the thing is they don't want Trump to be a Goldwater and ruin the Hispanic vote for a generation

[Kalador]

Some interesting news coming in about the poll results and the speech Trump made:

Scarborough: Donald Trump Has Decided To Throw This Election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._election.html


Ron Fournier: Donald Trump Lost The Presidency This Week When He Called Obama "A Traitor"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...a_traitor.html

i don't know if is throwing or if he lost already but damn this week he really had the momentum and could have taken big point of this tragedy (heartless but ture) but he just failed hard and looked like a fool.

[wowaccounttom]

what about the next batch of emails about to be released ????

i hear good things about them... promising things.... things that could cost someone an election .... or so our google overlords tell me

[Reinest]

Looks like Trumps mask is starting to fall off.

[alexw]

What we're going to get is 10 years (~2010-2020) of complete deadlock where nothing happens. At some point the radicals on one side or the other are going to take power and finally things will start to move. I hope it's the Democrats - I can't see how it could be the Republicans unless Clinton really messes up. The demographics are just so in favor of the Dems going forward.

IMO there is a very good chance it will be the dem's come November. I used to think there was no chance of the democratic party taking the house but that was before the Trumpster started his GOP slash and burn electoral campaign. We have another 5 months of him being a bigoted, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic, ego-driven, callous, braggart. At the current pace it will be a landslide win for the democrats and a clean sweep of all three branches of gov, and if that happens you can bet one of the first things the democrats will do is bring in laws against gerrymandering and voter suppression, and that would utterly doom the GOP.

[Kalador]

what about the next batch of emails about to be released ????

i hear good things about them... promising things.... things that could cost someone an election .... or so our google overlords tell me

Email scandal is dead. You can't run on the same crap for a year in politics... if there was damage to be made it's already done.

[Felya]

That a complete corporate sellout like Hillary will win which is probably just as sad.

Trump is a corporation...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

[Leadsop]

Which is why he's going to flip-flop on everything and come at Clinton from the left. He'll claim to be in favor of gay marriage, raising the minimum wage and social security, that sort of thing, and it will all be lies. Do not get complacent, people always fall for it.

How is that any different than everything Hillary has either flip-flopped on or straight up lied straight to our faces about?

[Felya]

Looks like Trumps mask is starting to fall off.

He never had a mask... This is how he has been for 30 years in public eye...

[Ghostpanther]

Not really, history has taught us in elections that polls prior to election generally stay the same, albeit fluctuating a bit due to debates (which don't make a huge difference, fyi) ...but i'm just throwing a random number out of my ass, but i'd say about 80% of the people make their minds up once they know the nominees, regardless of what they have to say. Besides, no one wants Trump, unless they actually want the world to end, then go for it.

I guess you do not mean the history which showed Carter leading Reagan during most of the election year and was in a dead heat with him according to the polls shortly before election day. Reagan smoked Carter on election day. Even last general election, Romney at one point was leading Obama. But lost handily to Obama. It is too early for the polls to suggest anything other than Trump needs to work harder. That being said, my feelings are he will not win.

Another thing to keep in mind is the most important general election polls, are the ones for the swing states. Nationwide polls can be misleading. It would mean more if we elected someone on popular vote only. But the annoying Electoral College is something a candidate has to deal with.

[XorMalice]

Plenty of polls had Romney winning in 2012. We haven't even had the nominations officially yet, and it is June.

I mean, if you want to guess that Trump will lose, that's a reasonable guess, especially based on the polls. Assuming he'll run third party is nonsense- he has 1500+ votes locked in, so he'll definitely be the nominee. But Trump has surprised everyone at every turn- you'd be very unwise to count him out this early.

[Garnier Fructis]

I guess you do not mean the history which showed Carter leading Reagan during most of the election year and was in a dead heat with him according to the polls shortly before election day. Reagan smoked Carter on election day. Even last general election, Romney at one point was leading Obama. But lost handily to Obama. It is too early for the polls to suggest anything other than Trump needs to work harder. That being said, my feelings are he will not win.

Trump tried pretty hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory during the nomination process, but failed. So yeah, he's working pretty hard already to succeed this time around.

[akris15]

I guess you do not mean the history which showed Carter leading Reagan during most of the election year and was in a dead heat with him according to the polls shortly before election day. Reagan smoked Carter on election day. Even last general election, Romney at one point was leading Obama. But lost handily to Obama. It is too early for the polls to suggest anything other than Trump needs to work harder. That being said, my feelings are he will not win.

Another thing to keep in mind is the most important general election polls, are the ones for the swing states. Nationwide polls can be misleading. It would mean more if we elected someone on popular vote only. But the annoying Electoral College is something a candidate has to deal with.

Pop quiz- Do you know why that happened between Reagan and Carter that completely changed the election overnight?

[DesMephisto]

Polls are showing a very high unfavorable rate among American (70%). Polls are showing the lead Clinton has is starting to expand. Things are not going to end well for Trump. GOP keep backing away from him like he has the plague. Trump is going to declare Independent soon, mark my words.

Nice supporting facts you have there.

People aren't voting for Clinton, they're more than likely just assuming everyone who is voting for Bernie is going to vote for crooked Clinton...which we're not.

[Felya]

But Trump has surprised everyone at every turn- you'd be very unwise to count him out this early.

No, he has not. This is the same Trump we have had for decades. The surprise has been that people fell for it.

[Theodarzna]

I wonder if Clinton's lead will grow as more people give up on Bernie and finally face reality and move into her camp.

She will enjoy at best reluctant support from camp Bernie. At best she can count on trump being so bad that she can win a squeaker without most of them.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Polls said Trump would lose Republicans election.

[Felya]

Nice supporting facts you have there.

People aren't voting for Clinton, they're more than likely just assuming everyone who is voting for Bernie is going to vote for crooked Clinton...which we're not.

We? No... You is more accurate...