Next American Civil War

[mvaliz]

We're talking about taking a stand against criminals and traitors. The US military oaths talk about standing against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Call me silly, but I'm not quite sure Donald Dump is the guy to be able to convince the Soldiers that American Civilians are "domestic terrorists"...

I would definitely believe a lot would follow Dump, as many are probably in the Military as an outlet for their racist bigotry and anger - But I (would like to) believe that the vast majority aren't.

[Fencers]

Not gonna happen anytime soon.

For one, the level of ease and frivolity Americans (and 'Westerners' in general) is simply unmatched. It would take a serious combination of events that directly annexes or eliminates the capacity of the average American to use Facebook, swipe their phone at the checkout, watch Netflix, play video games, hop on the train and buy BOGO tops at Forever 21.

Culture changes. Political climates change.

If your problem is capitalism, you have to change it. Vote, get active, write, give speeches, etc.

[mvaliz]

95% of people under 40 are too lazy to get off the couch and stop texting long enough to start the laundry let alone civil upheaval...lol.

Hehe - I've said to family members who hoot and holler about wanting to fight for Donald Dump as "we're Americans, we will kick them out like we kicked out the british!" and I responded "have you looked in a mirror lately? You aren't the Minute Men - you're, at best, the 30-minute-men. You're the "I'll get right on that shit just after one more episode of Game of Thrones" men!" :P

Another thing I like to note is that in a Civil war of Dumpsters vs Progressive American Liberals - the "liberals" would have an extra special weapon that the Dumpsters don't have - and that's this little thing I like to call "Support from the entire rest of the civilized world".

You bet your ass MANY individual countries will want to support the American Liberal side in said war because of the potential cost of letting Dump and his volatile tiny mind and ego insecurities have access to nuclear weapons. Also a Dump selection will more than likely tank the American Economy very early, which will completely impact the rest of the world significantly and also encourage other countries to want to see him defeated. I even think in this case even the UN would actually vote unanimously in support of the American Liberals simply because the threat to the entire planet is that much greater than the hidden pockets of Islamist Extremists.

[nanook12]

Not gonna happen anytime soon.

For one, the level of ease and frivolity Americans (and 'Westerners' in general) is simply unmatched. It would take a serious combination of events that directly annexes or eliminates the capacity of the average American to use Facebook, swipe their phone at the checkout, watch Netflix, play video games, hop on the train and buy BOGO tops at Forever 21.

Culture changes. Political climates change.

If your problem is capitalism, you have to change it. Vote, get active, write, give speeches, etc.

Frivolity, that is an interesting word. Why do American's lack so seriousness so much? I personally hate it, it's like they are all children.

[Calfredd]

According to the gini coefficient the United States is already on the path to becoming big Somalia if it keeps progressing as it has. A revolution could change that.

I'm not willing to bet the massive loss of life and severe drop in quality of life for such a low percent chance the country might be better just because a psychopath like you wants to start a war because he didn't care for his lot in life. Still quite a few ways to better the country without turning it into a 3rd world country for decades resulting in even further loss of life while we try to get our crap together in deciding how we fix everything only for the cycle to repeat itself.

[Mormolyce]

What makes you think you'd like what the Revolution comes up with better?

History's record on this is not encouraging.

Said every nation before there was a civil war.

Actually you could probably see most of them coming a mile off.

[ringpriest]

It is going to make me sound really bad, but I really want to another civil war to breakout. I absolutely hate the system that is in place in America at the moment. Corporations and the wealthy squash and oppress everyone else beneath them, and they have government on their side to make sure it stays that way. As politics become more and more corrupted the only way real change is ever going to happen is through violent revolt of the masses. Honestly, I want a little bit of revenge on the wealthy and corporations for forcing me to exist on slave wages.

While I think America's problems are very real, "civil" wars (or revolutions) are extremely destructive, and there is no guarantee (or even high likelihood) that what you end up on the other end will actually be better. (That said, and while I truly do hope America moves away from the destructive directions it is headed, I think the chance of a civil war, something like it, or some other calamity/collapse is growing and for my two cents, would recommend that anyone who can get out get or or prepare to get out ASAP.)

[nanook12]

What makes you think you'd like what the Revolution comes up with better?

History's record on this is not encouraging.



Actually you could probably see most of them coming a mile off.

Massive income inequality ~check

Large scale political corruption ~ check

Rules tipped in favor of the ruling class ~ check

Declining wages ~ check

Most expensive healthcare system in the world ~ check

Me: Guys there may be a revolution coming.

Most people in thread: Where is the revolution? There is no reason for one!

Me: Rolls eyes.

[Fencers]

Frivolity, that is an interesting word. Why do American's lack so seriousness so much? I personally hate it, it's like they are all children.

Mostly because it is fun- as many live a pretty easy and safe life.

Not a lot directly threatens that ease or safety. As I said in another thread on a similar subject- for the most part people can still go to the mall wheneverthefuck, have more cereal options than all of history combined, the internet, GTX 1080s, cellphones, Snapchat, hoverboards, 24/7 cheap public transport, cheap ass gas in luxury vehicles history's Emperors of old could only imagine but a fraction of the opulence of a Toyota 4Runner.

Bro. In this world. In this country, The Untied States of America. One can order a car pick-up to take them halfway across town for $10 and order a second car to bring delivery from a restaurant that doesn't even offer delivery to the bar or club the first car drove you to- for like $15-20.

We are in the future, bro.

[Sky High]

nanook until things take a dramatic, and I do mean dramatic turn for the worse this idea that a revolution is just waiting in the wings is not realistic.

[Kapadons]

You and your spite-filled postings are a splendid example of the White Trash of America that votes for Dump IMO.

The Xenophobic, the racist, the hate-mongers who see everything that isn't white rural Christian values. The ones who love to blame others instead of themselves. The ones who beat their chest regressing to primal animal instincts over logic and science... The ones who value a piece of metal that fires bullets over human lives. The ones who value mongrel darwinian instincts of 1-uping your neighbor to make yourself feel less of a looser instead of helping your neighbor and together make the community a better place.

The ones who even blame a whole entire gender for societies problems - people like you.

EDIT: I wish I have a better term for those mongrels... as it's not fellow Caucasians that do that - but the term "white trash" so far best applies.

Maybe I'll make up a new one... like the "American Dumpsters" or something...

Racist - check
Massive stereotyping - check
Numerous spelling and grammatical errors - check
Nonsensical diatribe- check
Bitter jealousy of those better off - check
Flaming another poster- check
Toss in a little religion bashing - check

Pretty sure this is the worst single post I have ever seen on mmo champ. Surprised the numerous mods posting here don't seem to give a single shit.

[May90]

Massive income inequality ~check

Large scale political corruption ~ check

Rules tipped in favor of the ruling class ~ check

Declining wages ~ check

Most expensive healthcare system in the world ~ check

Me: Guys there may be a revolution coming.

Most people in thread: Where is the revolution? There is no reason for one!

Me: Rolls eyes.

These facts are nowhere near enough for any kind of serious societal shift, let alone revolution / civil war, to happen, given that the median income in the country is one of the highest in the world, and the problems you listed still lead to a more than decent quality of life for 80+% Americans. People don't even rebel in countries like India or China, not even in North Korea, compared to which almost every other country in the world is paradise.

What do you think will be the result of revolution? You think people like you, with ultra-socialist views and preferring destruction to creation, will build something better than Soviets did? More likely than not, if you win, there will be another revolution a few years later, with people deposing dictator nanook12 and starting a slow long process of rebuilding the system.

[Tempguy]

If a civil war happens, corporations will win. People like the Koch brothers will run the show behind the scenes and we will wind up back where we started.

If we want real change, we need to clean congress out and stop this is vs them nonsense.

When people are too blind to see that their selected shill is no different than the other guys selected shill then what can we hope for. Even now if you point out how many democrats are just like republicans people will argue for days.

"BUSH support the patriot act. He's evil!"

But Obama did too.

"Well that's totally different!!!"

[triplesdsu]

Call me silly, but I'm not quite sure Donald Dump is the guy to be able to convince the Soldiers that American Civilians are "domestic terrorists"...

I would definitely believe a lot would follow Dump, as many are probably in the Military as an outlet for their racist bigotry and anger - But I (would like to) believe that the vast majority aren't.

More would follow Donald Dump than Socialist Sanders and his cronies.

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Hehe - I've said to family members who hoot and holler about wanting to fight for Donald Dump as "we're Americans, we will kick them out like we kicked out the british!" and I responded "have you looked in a mirror lately? You aren't the Minute Men - you're, at best, the 30-minute-men. You're the "I'll get right on that shit just after one more episode of Game of Thrones" men!" :P

Another thing I like to note is that in a Civil war of Dumpsters vs Progressive American Liberals - the "liberals" would have an extra special weapon that the Dumpsters don't have - and that's this little thing I like to call "Support from the entire rest of the civilized world".

You bet your ass MANY individual countries will want to support the American Liberal side in said war because of the potential cost of letting Dump and his volatile tiny mind and ego insecurities have access to nuclear weapons. Also a Dump selection will more than likely tank the American Economy very early, which will completely impact the rest of the world significantly and also encourage other countries to want to see him defeated. I even think in this case even the UN would actually vote unanimously in support of the American Liberals simply because the threat to the entire planet is that much greater than the hidden pockets of Islamist Extremists.

The rest of the civilized world would never attempt to go to war with the US. Especially since we could wipe out all life on this planet should we somehow lose. Liberals have a problem in that shooting an AR-15 gives them temporary PTSD. Not sure how you fight with that mentality.

[PC2]

Massive income inequality ~check

Large scale political corruption ~ check

Rules tipped in favor of the ruling class ~ check

Declining wages ~ check

Most expensive healthcare system in the world ~ check

Me: Guys there may be a revolution coming.

Most people in thread: Where is the revolution? There is no reason for one!

Me: Rolls eyes.

Why would there be a revolution when society is better than ever? If you have invented a new perfect economic system feel free to share it with us.

[Ebalina]

OP isn't talking about a civil war, just whatever little fantasy scenario to make him feel better.

also el oh fucking el, "making me exist on slave wages" get the fuck over yourself. no one is obligated to give you work. not satisfied with it? actually put the work in to make your life better. but hey, complaining on teh interwebs is waaaay easier.

The government is supposed to provide you with a job.
It needs to create a healthy enviroments where people can trive and not this shit hole most governments are creating for the sake of corporations greed.

How are you supposed to make your self better when for example i speak 3 languages have knowledge of computers and all the things they desire from me and yet in my country i cannot get a job that nets me more then 200euro for that ? And don't tell me move to another country because that is not an option for me.

[Feel The Power]

"I really want people to die because I don't agree with what's going on in America. The op is a piece of shit.



Infracted for flaming.

[Flutterguy]

So you're mad about having a job, OP? k.

[Dokraven]

US government vs The Civilians

Like that could ever be a real fight

[Sky High]

The government is supposed to provide you with a job.
It needs to create a healthy enviroments where people can trive and not this shit hole most governments are creating for the sake of corporations greed.

How are you supposed to make your self better when for example i speak 3 languages have knowledge of computers and all the things they desire from me and yet in my country i cannot get a job that nets me more then 200euro for that ? And don't tell me move to another country because that is not an option for me.

if you mean give it's citizens the tools (education) they need to be productive members of a work force then I'm all for that. I'm all for overhauling our k-12 education to not be one big wank before you get to college. and for that matter make it so college doesn't chain people with crushing amounts of debt.

in your case idk what to tell you, IDK how the dynamics of employment and education works in other countries. in the OP's case he lives in the sweaty, crusty taint that is the Californian central valley, so I would suggest moving out of there.... just because.