Assault Weapons are not real

[Hammerfest]

A rifle that is not single action, single shot, and not designed for game hunting, and is instead a semi-automatic, which can be easily modified to be full auto, is an assault rifle. Period.

Okay, so why is the AR-15 considered an "assault weapon?" You press the trigger and one round comes out. It also cannot be "easily" modified to be full auto because that would require replacing everything but the barrel.

[Karrotlord]

A rifle that is not single action, single shot, and not designed for game hunting, and is instead a semi-automatic, which can be easily modified to be full auto, is an assault rifle. Period.

There is only 1 single use for these type weapons, and that is to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible.

And yes, they are assault rifles.

By definition, and assault rifle must fire more than one round per trigger pull. That includes fully automatic or burst fire. A purely semi-auto rifle therefore cannot be an assault rifle.

[Hammerfest]

It is a myth that the AR-15 is anything close to resembling a machine gun (or a weapon which fires more than one round when the trigger is pulled).

[Jaransan]

I get the feeling that the media and politicans just uses the words Assault Weapon because for the un-initiated it's the simplest way to describe a gun that shoots really fast and has above average power?

Out of curiosity for the gun people here what do weapons like that get used for mostly anyway civilian wise. I don't imagine they'd be for hunting - that seems like a stupid use of that kind of weapon unless your ONLY in it for killing an animal and not for actually eating it, skinning it or etc.

[Machismo]

The federal government did set a definition for assault weapons. Now, one could argue that the definition is inane and idiotic, but it certainly exists.

[Hammerfest]

Years ago, there was a deliberate attempt by the anti-gun left in the US to confuse people as to what "semi-automatic" means. In the case of a selector-switch weapon, like the M-16, the "semi-automatic" setting on the rifle meant that every time you pulled the trigger three rounds would come out. The left began using the term "semi-automatic" to describe what is actually called "double-action" which is where the rifle/gun chambers and readies another round when it is fired. People hear "semi-automatic" and they think of a machine gun instead of a double-action rifle. It's amazing what the left can do with language.

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Can somebody provide an example of a firearm that is NOT an assault weapon?

[Underverse]

Assault weapon as been defined under federal law. So yeah, it exists. It's not a gun manufacturer's definition - it's a regulator's definition.

Not sure what you're trying to do here.

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Years ago, there was a deliberate attempt by the anti-gun left in the US to confuse people as to what "semi-automatic" means. In the case of a selector-switch weapon, like the M-16, the "semi-automatic" setting on the rifle meant that every time you pulled the trigger three rounds would come out. The left began using the term "semi-automatic" to describe what is actually called "double-action" which is where the rifle/gun chambers and readies another round when it is fired. People hear "semi-automatic" and they think of a machine gun instead of a double-action rifle. It's amazing what the left can do with language.

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Can somebody provide an example of a firearm that is NOT an assault weapon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Here you go. Pretty shitty system of definitions, but it's there.

[XangXu]

Any sort of gun that isn't designed for hunting, and is designed for use in a militaristic way should not be allowed in civilian hands. The only reason you would need a gun that reloads so quickly and fires so fast, is if you were taking down multiple targets in a very short amount of time. So unless people plan to go out hunting and plan to take down a herd of deer all at once, they can go fuck themselves and start learning how to live in the modern world.

Your country is sick.


Assault seems to imply that the weapon is going to be used to "assault" a target, rather then hunt it.

[Orlong]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Turns out it is a legal definition under the DOJ. So it actually exists as a legal term and 7 states use the term in laws.

The problem is that EVERY weapon is an assault weapon. An assault weapon is any weapon that you can assault someone with. Even a knife is an assault weapon. Its a stupid term

[Underverse]

The problem is that EVERY weapon is an assault weapon. An assault weapon is any weapon that you can assault someone with. Even a knife is an assault weapon. Its a stupid term

No, that's not how assault weapons have been defined under federal law. You're literally just tacking on a random definition and crying that it's too general.

[XangXu]

It is a myth that the AR-15 is anything close to resembling a machine gun (or a weapon which fires more than one round when the trigger is pulled).

Wiggle your finger as fast as possible

Now pretend that each time you bend your finger, a high powered bullet is being shot.

That's the AR-15. I'm sick of you redneck fuck tards playing dumb just so you can keep your cool toy or pretend like the government is going to turn totalitarian. None of you can really admit that you just LOVE big guns, and that is the ONLY fucking reason why you don't like gun control.

It's the ONLY reason and you people need to be put in your fucking place fast.

Infracted - minor flaming

[Orlong]

been thru this before

Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 defined certain firearms as assault weapons based on the features they possessed. This included semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a flash suppressor or threaded barrel, a bayonet mount, or a muzzle-mounted grenade launcher. It included semi-automatic pistols with a detachable magazine and at least two of these features: a magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or an unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more. Additionally defined as assault weapons were semi-automatic shotguns with a rotating cylinder, or with at least two of these features: a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, a detachable magazine, or a fixed magazine that can hold more than five rounds.

so basically its one too many mods on a gun and bam assault weapon.

Which is stupid, because adding any or all of those attachments doesnt make it any more dangerous than using it with no attachments other than the muzzle mounted grenade launcher (which still wouldnt make it any more dangerous unless you could find grenades to put in it)

[XangXu]

Years ago, there was a deliberate attempt by the anti-gun left in the US to confuse people as to what "semi-automatic" means. In the case of a selector-switch weapon, like the M-16, the "semi-automatic" setting on the rifle meant that every time you pulled the trigger three rounds would come out. The left began using the term "semi-automatic" to describe what is actually called "double-action" which is where the rifle/gun chambers and readies another round when it is fired. People hear "semi-automatic" and they think of a machine gun instead of a double-action rifle. It's amazing what the left can do with language.

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Can somebody provide an example of a firearm that is NOT an assault weapon?

Assault assumes you are going into a situation where you will need to attack an enemy because that enemy will be attacking you. Assault. That's why it has it's name.

So when you assault an enemy, you are not being stealthy, you are making your presence known and you are going into the situation knowing that only one of the two sides will leave alive.

[ElDoorO]

Wiggle your finger as fast as possible

Now pretend that each time you bend your finger, a high powered bullet is being shot.

That's the AR-15. I'm sick of you redneck fuck tards playing dumb just so you can keep your cool toy or pretend like the government is going to turn totalitarian. None of you can really admit that you just LOVE big guns, and that is the ONLY fucking reason why you don't like gun control.

It's the ONLY reason and you people need to be put in your fucking place fast.

I think you're responding to the wrong person. An AR-15 is not even close to a machine gun.

Also, you seem quite angry. Trying to degrade others to make your point make you look quite childish.

[Orlong]

No, that's not how assault weapons have been defined under federal law. You're literally just tacking on a random definition and crying that it's too general.

Are you trying to say that shooting someone with a pellet gun wouldnt be assaulting them?

[Aleksej89]

Personally i see "assault weapons" as a term for guns that are primarily intended for all-out mass conflict, when you expect to be firing at many many targets.
It is more of a description of the weapon's intended purpose, since such high rate of fire combined with a big magazine = potentially a lot of dead targets.

Hunting rifles are more about precise and powerful shots that will instantly kill an animal so it does not suffer or retaliate.
Pistols like the ones police uses are for intimidating individuals or small groups, or if needed to disable/kill a small number of targets.

But when you want to kill 10 or more people, that is pretty damn similar to the "assault" kind of approach special forces or army troops use in combat.
Since you literally are assaulting a building or a gathering, guns blazing at any "hostile" in sight.

However politicians and media always went for the drama shock value so you really should not expect anything better from them.

[XangXu]

I think you're responding to the wrong person. An AR-15 is not even close to a machine gun.

Also, you seem quite angry. Trying to degrade others to make your point make you look quite childish.

Jesus, you don't need a machine gun to do extraordinary damage.

[ElDoorO]

Which is stupid, because adding any or all of those attachments doesnt make it any more dangerous than using it with no attachments other than the muzzle mounted grenade launcher (which still wouldnt make it any more dangerous unless you could find grenades to put in it)

Which is why gun control is, more often than not, "feel good" laws that don't save lives.
They look good on paper, get them re-elected, but doesn't change much (if anything).

This is why I've yet to see legislation that would have prevented a mass shooting.

Much like 9/11 -- we're seeing people willing to throw away their rights (including due process) happily because they are scared of the boogeyman. Do you live in a place where cars are common? Then you should be more afraid of a car than a gun.

[XangXu]

Are you trying to say that shooting someone with a pellet gun wouldnt be assaulting them?

Considering that a pellet gun is a glorified TOY and not a weapon designed for ending human life, no. It's a pathetic attack but one that will not leave anyone DEAD, let alone 50 people in under an hour.

[ElDoorO]

Jesus, you don't need a machine gun to do extraordinary damage.

Not sure how you extrapolated that from what I said. Care to enlighten me?

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Considering that a pellet gun is a glorified TOY and not a weapon designed for ending human life, no. It's a pathetic attack but one that will not leave anyone DEAD, let alone 50 people in under an hour.

Umm, no.
A pellet gun is absolutely *not* a toy or a "glorified" toy. You can penetrate someone with one and kill them.
I can't kill someone with a nerf toy under normal circumstances.