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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    The current legislation is mainly to do with storage as far as I can tell.
    It's not as I've pointed out before.Here's a quick link.
    http://www.guntradenews.com/news/new...n-the-horizon/
    New firearms laws are to come to parliament as part of the Policing and Crime Bill, signalling the government’s willingness to listen to the Law Commission’s firearms law report.
    They are important to local economies, so no.
    They're not either. In fact they're taking handouts.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...shotgun-owners
    Three days later – on Friday – the government announced it would raise the subsidy it provides for grouse moors from £30 per hectare to £56. Yes, you read that right: the British government subsidises grouse moors, which are owned by 1% of the 1% and used by people who are scarcely less rich.

    While the poor are being forced out of their homes through government cuts, it is raising the payments – across hundreds of thousands of hectares – that some owners use to burn and cut the land (helping to cause floods downstream), shoot or poison hen harriers and other predators, and scar the hills with roads and shooting butts.
    As for farmers, they managed before guns were even invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffyman View Post
    It's not as I've pointed out before.Here's a quick link.
    http://www.guntradenews.com/news/new...n-the-horizon/
    I am not really seeing anything there which would lead me to believe the Government are trying to ban guns outright.

    They're not either. In fact they're taking handouts.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...shotgun-owners
    I was not thinking of grouse moors, more deer stalking in Scotland and the like.

    Plus I would not trust anything the Guardian says on what they perceive to be the pasttimes of the wealthy, they are not exactly unbiased.

    As for farmers, they managed before guns were even invented.
    And they managed before tractors were invented, no need to make their lives harder for the sake of it.

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    Subsidising moorland used for hunting is a complicated matter. I am not exactly pro hunting but there does exist the relationship that such managed estates form a lot of the land that is available to all (access protected historically in Scotland and recently via CROW legislation in England and Wales). The fact is thousands upon thousands of people go to walk, climb, run etc on such land and this is a huge benefit to the local economies. For this reason there exists a relationship where there is some monetisation for the landowners in keeping their land accessible and having usable gates etc. It is a very complicated issue as it not one that is entirely covered by national park involvement as much of the land is in other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonvalor View Post
    As a farmer I would've expected you to understand there's no 100% practical fox proof chicken houses
    not a farmer, quite clearly said that I come from a family of farmers and have experience, but i myself went down a different path.

    And yeah you pretty much can, if we are talking actually commercially viable poultry enterprises we are talking thousands of birds in secure sheds. If you are talking hobby farm free range stuff, then you accept the risk, but stock values are lower anyway so less of a hit.
    Even then you can put automated dusk/dawn shutters on coups which protect birds from pretty much.

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    Wow...and here I thought guns were the only thing you can attack someone with, who would of thunk it possible to attack someone with anything else other than a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Wow...and here I thought guns were the only thing you can attack someone with, who would of thunk it possible to attack someone with anything else other than a gun?
    Its like you read the first 3 words of the title and stopped there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortan Rich View Post
    Its like you read the first 3 words of the title and stopped there.
    You're giving them far too much credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyi View Post
    not a farmer, quite clearly said that I come from a family of farmers and have experience, but i myself went down a different path.

    And yeah you pretty much can, if we are talking actually commercially viable poultry enterprises we are talking thousands of birds in secure sheds. If you are talking hobby farm free range stuff, then you accept the risk, but stock values are lower anyway so less of a hit.
    Even then you can put automated dusk/dawn shutters on coups which protect birds from pretty much.
    Because foxes are the only menace that British farmers face towards their crop / stock / agriculture.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altberg View Post
    Because foxes are the only menace that British farmers face towards their crop / stock / agriculture.....
    name one that requires farmers to have a gun.
    name one that cannot be dealt with by another means, or by specialist regulated shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortan Rich View Post
    Its like you read the first 3 words of the title and stopped there.
    Oh I'm sorry...I guess I was confused since guns are illegal there and we all know making something illegal stops people from obtaining it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Oh I'm sorry...I guess I was confused since guns are illegal there and we all know making something illegal stops people from obtaining it.
    Where are guns illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Oh I'm sorry...I guess I was confused since guns are illegal there and we all know making something illegal stops people from obtaining it.
    Guns aren't illegal dear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Oh I'm sorry...I guess I was confused since guns are illegal there and we all know making something illegal stops people from obtaining it.
    It was home made and guns are certainly not illegal in the UK, just regulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seiko Sora View Post
    Guns aren't illegal dear
    Perhaps they are just banned in that part of Yorkshire.

    We need to ask someone from Yorkshire, where is Adam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Perhaps they are just banned in that part of Yorkshire.

    We need to ask someone from Yorkshire, where is Adam?
    Off gun shopping I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortan Rich View Post
    It was home made and guns are certainly not illegal in the UK, just regulated.
    Just the way some people talk...you'd think you they have a illegal gun free utopia over there...could of fooled me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortan Rich View Post
    Off gun shopping I think.
    No, just spotted him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Just the way some people talk...you'd think you they have a illegal gun free utopia over there...could of fooled me.
    50 people were shot dead last year out of 64 million, gun control does work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    No, just spotted him.

    Adam hates beards, you are not fooling me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    Oh I'm sorry...I guess I was confused since guns are illegal there and we all know making something illegal stops people from obtaining it.
    It makes them dam much harder to obtain.


    Unlike the US the rest of the world aren't swimming in guns, I can't just go to craigstlist and see if somebody sells their gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortan Rich View Post
    It was home made and guns are certainly not illegal in the UK, just regulated.
    Latest statements from the police indicate it wasn't home-made, but "modified": "It has emerged that the gun used to shoot Mrs Cox was not homemade, but was a real weapon shortened in some way."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36558386

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