Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Deleted]

For as much as I love assassination, I'm kinda disliking it in beta right now. I hardly have enough energy to even get my bleeds out. I open with cs into a hero into a rupture and I'm out of energy before I can garrote. Then it's all down hill from there.

What is the "rotation" in pvp that everyone is using?

Edit: it's also annoying me that a spec revolved around poisons is more bleed oriented...

Try using shadow focus, you can CS>Hemo>mutilate>5/6 rupture>vendetta>garrote>mfd>6p kidney(internal Bleeding)>ex

That will drop anyone without a immunity cooldown pretty much, if you don't have vendetta up you just pool or miss out garrote.

Garrote is much much lower priority in pve since it costs so much energy, it is always better to mutilate for combo points since if you have rupture up already you can put up creeping venom with envenom, which due to movement is pretty much a indefinite dot and ends up doing way more damage than garrote. Even doing a 3cp envenom is worth it as creeping venom does the same damage regardless of how many cp used.

There is argument of going subterfuge for the extra garrote damage thus giving it higher priority in your opener but you will run into the same energy starving problems, especially if you double cheap in the opener.

I personally prefer SF as it allows me to get my dots up faster due to having more energy and my opponents have less time to counter, but each to their own. The spec is much slower and requires pooling to be most effective, which goes hand in hand with gravitating to heavy pressure dot comps like RLS.

[Dandeleon]

Im testing Assassination Rogue and I have some questions.

1 - Mastery just buff your auto-atk poison ? Or it buff Artifact Traits (Bag of Tricks, From the Shadows and Kingsbane) and Envenom ?
2 - Elaborate Planning talent is a snapshot ?
3 - t19 2p will give energy from Mutilate bleed ?
4 - Have any moment where you need Poisoned Knife in normal rotation ? (ex.: more poison proc for Kingsbane)
5 - Bag of Tricks use RPPM mechanic ?

[Lorentz]

Im testing Assassination Rogue and I have some questions.

1 - Mastery just buff your auto-atk poison ? Or it buff Artifact Traits (Bag of Tricks, From the Shadows and Kingsbane) and Envenom ?
2 - Elaborate Planning talent is a snapshot ?
3 - t19 2p will give energy from Mutilate bleed ?
4 - Have any moment where you need Poisoned Knife in normal rotation ? (ex.: more poison proc for Kingsbane)
5 - Bag of Tricks use RPPM mechanic ?

1 - It buffs all poison damage so those Artifact Traits as well
2 - It shouldn't according to Celestalon
3 - None could test. I assume it does
4 - Can't imagine right now, no
5 - Yes

[Spices]

I'm thinking about swapping to play a rogue come Legion, anyone have any tips or suggestions on what spec to play? (I know tuning is not yet finished, just looking to see what people like so far)

[Rikhart]

I'm thinking about swapping to play a rogue come Legion, anyone have any tips or suggestions on what spec to play? (I know tuning is not yet finished, just looking to see what people like so far)

There is a ton of threads about that on the very first page, did you miss those?

[Lorentz]

I'm thinking about swapping to play a rogue come Legion, anyone have any tips or suggestions on what spec to play? (I know tuning is not yet finished, just looking to see what people like so far)

Enhancement. And it's not a joke

[Sarkol]

After watching the FinalBoss overview of the spec to get most of the info, Assassination seems an incredibly well rounded spec suited for long single target, VERY high burst single target, and most aoe fights bar dot fights obviously. It's not mega fast initially, which is very good, because it's meant to be methodical, but you can absolutely talent the spec to be faster, especially in aoe situations where you'll literally have more energy than you can use.

Not only that, there's tons of little things you can do via chaining skills, timing abilities together, and pooling energy, as well as utilising sets of talents together that gives the player lots of potential to work with. You can't say that about many specs right now. Probably a very good pvp spec too.

Just looks a really nice spec all round. I've played PTR, but not beta, so if anyone can shed light on 110 aspects of the spec that would be nice. Also, i don't mean complaints like ' i think it's too slow', because i personally like a slower spec. Just means how it actually fairs with all traits and 110 gear/fights.

[shaunika123]

so just tested assa on beta, didnt read through everything but is vendetta breaking stealth intended?

[RobertoCarlos]

assassination looks like a pretty solid first artifact choice imo. The high Burst potential will be great in world content and dungeons. And it has really nice single target damage, so assass as main spec and having outlaw as 2nd spec for aoe should be a good way to go about legion and leveling that artifact weapon

[Creatinebrah]

DAMN!

this dude is doing 500k dps, he got 1million with herolust burst.

https://www.twitch.tv/pyllero


holy shit thats impressive and only 840ilvl

[Rikhart]

DAMN!

this dude is doing 500k dps, he got 1million with herolust burst.

https://www.twitch.tv/pyllero


holy shit thats impressive and only 840ilvl

At that ilvl LOTS of classes can burst like that...

[Tato23]

What are your guys success in raids so far? Are you hitting top 5? Any classes beating you usually? Is assass pulling higher numbers than sub or outlaw?

[Deleted]

What are your guys success in raids so far? Are you hitting top 5? Any classes beating you usually? Is assass pulling higher numbers than sub or outlaw?

I'd really like to know this too

[Creatinebrah]

At that ilvl LOTS of classes can burst like that...

really? reach upwards of 1million? got any videos to back that up?

[RobertoCarlos]

Dps numbers wise should be reaching towards MoP levels

[Tato23]

Dps numbers wise should be reaching towards MoP levels

God my memory is bad, and i played a mage too haha, how were rogues back them?

[Wow]

It's mostly just the legendary belt amplifying the Exsanguinate burst 50% in the first 10% looks great for things that die as fast as those bosses but other than that that legendary isn't likely to be that great.

[Rikhart]

really? reach upwards of 1million? got any videos to back that up?

No, just my experience of dungeon running in beta. It´s also that belt inflating the opener sequence.

[redtarty]

No, just my experience of dungeon running in beta. It´s also that belt inflating the opener sequence.

he actually bursted for 2.1 mil last night on a dummy, think he had a rupture proc and the belt was accounting for like 35% of the dmg or so. Blizz made it so the dmg bonus from the belt gets counted separately so u can see it on the dmg meters

[Deleted]

It's mostly just the legendary belt amplifying the Exsanguinate burst 50% in the first 10% looks great for things that die as fast as those bosses but other than that that legendary isn't likely to be that great.

Its not 50% though, its more like 35% ish (its 50% extra dmg as physical, so gets scaled down) but indeed that is the primary reason behind that insane burst. The legendaries enhances different aspects of a spec, so while the belt is flashy - there might be better ones for overall dps.