Venezuela's Crash: There's No Toilet Paper In Caracas

[s_bushido]

Jesus Christ... Listen, Sanders is unlikely to be nominated, so you idiots can stop pretending you care what socialism is or what people in countries like the US mean when they say it. On second thought, I guess that would have required that you cared in the first place. But seeing as we get a thread about "Venezuela, the socialist's paradise" every week, I think it's safe to say that you didn't.

[Accelerate]

Yes, but people like Endus will tell you this is what you need. It's like Bondo. The plants crave it. You just haven't realized it.

People like Endus who want to force these type of things on people doesn't understand. His mentality is Socialism is for the people. Not for the Socialist. Fucker needs to move to Cuba.

I don't know who Endus is but I will gladly trade places with him for a month, with the condition that he doesn't bring no more than what the average person here earns, so he can experience the True Socialist Experience(tm)

[igualitarist]

I have never seen a socialist/communist experience that succeeded. On the other hand, we have tons of examples of capitalist countries that have succeeded.

But hey, everytime a socialist/communist experience fails, it's not because those system are severely flawed. In fact, those system always fails because the universe conspires against them

Jeez, it always amazes me how people are completely unable to learn from history.

[lockedout]

I have never seem a socialist/communist experience that succeeded. On the other hand, we have tons of examples of capitalist countries that have succeeded.

But hey, everytime a socialist/communist experience fails, it's not because those system are severely flawed. In fact, those system always fails because the universe conspires against them

Jeez, it always amazes me how people are completely unable to learn from history.

People will come in here and tell you we have social security so we are socialist...

[Theinquisition]

It's useless, you won't change the minds of Trump supporters

who said im a trump supporter?

[s_bushido]

I have never seen a socialist/communist experience that succeeded. On the other hand, we have tons of examples of capitalist countries that have succeeded.

Feel free to point out a capitalist country that doesn't have socialist programs.

[Risale]

Why the hell do americans think Socialism is bad, honestly if i had a penny for every one of you that didn't understand what it means nor how many of your allies are socialist I'd be a very rich man.

[Shadowferal]

I have never seem a socialist/communist experience that succeeded. On the other hand, we have tons of examples of capitalist countries that have succeeded.

The opposite of socialism isn't capitalism, it's libertarianism.

And only one country was stupid enough to go all in. New Zealand.

Downfall of an Economic Experiment

What was one of the world’s most comprehensive welfare states has been dismantled. The Employment Contracts Act insists that conditions of work are a private matter between employer and employee. In surveys of the “economic freedom of the world” New Zealand is ranked with Hong Kong and Singapore, ahead of Britain and the United States, and well ahead of continental Europe.

After fifteen years, the electorate delivered its own verdict on the reforms by returning an old labour style government, led by Helen Clark. If we look coldly at New Zealand economic data, the voters are right. Since the experiment began, economic growth in New Zealand has been much slower than in the rest of the developed world. Productivity and living standards have barely risen while almost all other rich countries have enjoyed sustained expansion. The past fifteen years have completed New Zealand’s transition into a very select group of states: those that were once rich but are rich no longer. The standard of living has fallen from 1.25 times the average standard of living in high-income countries in 1965 to 0.62 last year. New Zealand is the Argentina of the second half of the twentieth century. What went wrong?

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New Zealand Experiment aka "Rogernomics."

Over the next 15 years, New Zealand's economy and social capital faced a steady decline: the youth suicide rate grew sharply into one of the highest in the developed world; the proliferation of food banks increased dramatically; marked increases in violent and other crime were observed; the number of New Zealanders estimated to be living in poverty grew by at least 35% between 1989 and 1992; and health care has been especially hard-hit, leading to a significant deterioration in health standards among working and middle class people. In addition, many of the promised economic benefits of the experiment never materialised.
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Oh and then there's the Leaky Home Crisis which would follow when standards become "self-regulatory." (i.e voluntary)

[Accelerate]

Why the hell do americans think Socialism is bad.

Look at Venezuela, my country, and tell me Socialism is good.

Excuse me as I gotta go figure what will I have for dinner since I'll leave what little bread, ham, and cheese we have left for my younger brother. tomorrow i'll see if I can spare the time to stand in line for 2 hours to see if maybe, just maybe, I can buy more bread.

[Orange Joe]

Look at Venezuela, my country, and tell me Socialism is good.

Excuse me as I gotta go figure what will I have for dinner since I'll leave what little bread, ham, and cheese we have left for my younger brother. tomorrow i'll see if I can spare the time to stand in line for 2 hours to see if maybe, just maybe, I can buy more bread.

Cherry picking is fun.

How about you head off to Somalia and tell us how capitalism works.

[Accelerate]

Cherry picking is fun.

How about you head off to Somalia and tell us how capitalism works.

Venezuela is cherry picking.

The Soviet Union was cherry picking.

Albania under Enver Hoxha was cherry picking.

Cuba is cherry picking.

Zimbabwe is cherry picking.

see what i did there?

[Orange Joe]

Venezuela is cherry picking.

The Soviet Union was cherry picking.

Albania under Enver Hoxha was cherry picking.

Cuba is cherry picking.

Zimbabwe is cherry picking.

see what i did there?

Yes. I can make a similar list for capitalism. Almost like neither is the only issue for places having problems

[Theodarzna]

Remember, Sanders is the bossy nabob who has gone on record as saying Americans "don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants." Yes, that's socialism -- and someone who's never outgrown his teen fling with the myth of a worker's paradise -- talking.

We can definitely do without ax body spray.

[lockedout]

Yeah, because we all know the right wing always says the financial crash in 08 was because of Capitalism :P

Capitalism is never to blame when it fails, but if socialism fails... ALL SOCIALISM IS DOOMED 5EVER EVIL MAO COMMUNISM STALIN AHHHHHHHHH

You think the financial crash in 08 was due to capitalism?

[Theodarzna]

You think the financial crash in 08 was due to capitalism?

Neither Capitalism nor Socialism have ever failed, though Capitalists and Socialists have failed many many many times.

[Stormspellz]

Factually false:
Venezuela spent the oil money stupidly while it had it - without saving or making good investments in other industries; compare to Norway who built a wealth fund owning about 2% of European stock-market; and currently is dipping into the dividends after the fall in the oil price.
Venezuela has also managed their oil company so ineptly that the oil production has decreased.

Both of these were caused by socialism, cronyism, and related causes.

How is bad economic managment, corruption, ect caused by socialism? other then socialism is evil cause its evil.

[May90]

Look at Venezuela, my country, and tell me Socialism is good.

Excuse me as I gotta go figure what will I have for dinner since I'll leave what little bread, ham, and cheese we have left for my younger brother. tomorrow i'll see if I can spare the time to stand in line for 2 hours to see if maybe, just maybe, I can buy more bread.

Look at North Korea and tell me socialism is good.
Look at Sweden and tell me socialism is bad.
Look at Saudi Arabia and tell me capitalism is good.
Look at Switzerland and tell me capitalism is bad.

We can play this game forever. In reality, everything is good in moderation. Take capitalist economy, add a bit of socialism to protect the lower classes - and you get a very yummy recipe. Try to build "pure socialism" or "pure capitalism" - and everything will be screwed.

[lockedout]

Look at North Korea and tell me socialism is good.
Look at Sweden and tell me socialism is bad.
Look at Saudi Arabia and tell me capitalism is good.
Look at Switzerland and tell me capitalism is bad.

We can play this game forever. In reality, everything is good in moderation. Take capitalist economy, add a bit of socialism to protect the lower classes - and you get a very yummy recipe. Try to build "pure socialism" or "pure capitalism" - and everything will be screwed.

I agree, would you sat Venezuela was mostly socialism?

[Bushtuckrman]

This is a stupid partisan opinion piece. The problem is central planning of economies with insufficient information. Not socialist ideology at its core - which works extremely well when incorporated into developed nations such as the US.

lol no. Socialism can work with capitalism yes when there is a balance. But outright socialism never works and you're free to show examples of where it has and what the living conditions for those people are like. Personally I don't have time to stand 3 hours in a queue to receive my daily milk n bread.

On another site I go to, I gave a guy from Venezuela $50USD last week, he couldn't thank me enough. First time I have done that and probably the last, just seemed like a top dude who wanted no part of what his government did and never supported it to begin with.

[wowaccounttom]

does it matter if they have no toilet paper?

all reports indicate they dont even have chickens.....


so no food, no poop... rite?