Overwatch "dungeons" - would it be fun and would it work?

[Soulwind]

I think a MvM mode with some extra features, like turrets or buffs could work. They've established a bunch of evil organizations such as Los Muertos, the gorillas from the moon, Talon or the Junkers, all of which would provide endless amounts of minions for some PvE maps.

As for singleplayer, they could make short campaigns for each hero. Simple enough to serve as a tutorial, challenging enough to have some achievements and rewards.

[Skorpionss]

my main gripe with Overwatch is that there is no story mode or at least co-op missions or something... if they added something like that I'd be so hype

[Deleted]

Killing Floor / Vermintide with Overwatch characters? I'd play it.

[Deleted]

We only know what Blizzard openly stated, and they stated that Titan was not fun and that is why it was scrapped.

Well, that's basically what I was after. Any idea where I can find that statement?

EDIT: Never mind, found it. So it was this:

"We didn't find the fun," Morhaime continued. "We didn't find the passion. We talked about how we put it through a reevaluation period, and actually, what we reevaluated is whether that's the game we really wanted to be making. The answer is no."

Basically, what Mike is saying there is that they didn't find the fun and passion in making that game. Which is a bit different from saying that the game they would've made wouldn't have been fun for the players. And, in reading up more on what they said, him and Metzen, it becomes clear that they just didn't feel like the whole project didn't mesh well.

None of that translates into "we here at Blizzard don't think players would find PvE FPS fun", though. Also, the fact that Overwatch doesn't have PvE content (other than the bot killing of course) isn't really proof that they'd think any PvE content wouldn't be fun, but rather that this is the game they were going for right now. It doesn't mean they can't expand upon it, though.

Anyways, I'm not saying everyone has to like these kind of PvE missions or instances or dungeons. I just think that if they did exist as a "side dish", that wouldn't take away anything from anyone. Those people who'd be bored playing against other players, or who have only been playing against bots, might want to play these.

[Airlick]

Basically, what Mike is saying there is that they didn't find the fun and passion in making that game. Which is a bit different from saying that the game they would've made wouldn't have been fun for the players. And, in reading up more on what they said, him and Metzen, it becomes clear that they just didn't feel like the whole project didn't mesh well.

That's grasping at straws a bit. If the devs don't find the game they are creating fun, if they are aware of its flaws and have no idea how to rectify them, then it doesn't bode well for the game and it's not very reasonable to assume the players would enjoy it. I think there's a large gap between "we're aware there are some flaws, but we'll work them out given enough time" and "this is hopeless, we're better off just scrapping it".

I mean, some authors, poets, composers and the likes were never happy with their own work, even if it was widely appreciated by their audiences. But they were perfectionists and played solo most of the time. Making games is a team effort, and if the developers collectively think their work is a mess and can't find a way to make it right, then something must be up. Burning a page is not the same as scrapping a multi-million budget game.

None of that translates into "we here at Blizzard don't think players would find PvE FPS fun", though.

Obviously not. But they didn't think that players would find the specific PvE MMOFPS - that Titan was supposed to be - fun.

[Pivotal]

I played a game in 2010 called Global Agenda, which had pvp content similar to overwatch (escort payload, capture points, etc). But it also had a dungeon system with mobs and bosses, which worked good imo. So I could definitely see this work in OW too

[Deleted]

Obviously not. But they didn't think that players would find the specific PvE MMOFPS - that Titan was supposed to be - fun.

Exactly, and that's kind of my point; Overwatch is probably nothing like Titan, so dungeons/missions in Overwatch would have very little to do with what Titan would've been.

[Airlick]

Exactly, and that's kind of my point; Overwatch is probably nothing like Titan, so dungeons/missions in Overwatch would have very little to do with what Titan would've been.

And this is exactly something we can't prove - how different the core of Overwatch is compared to Titan. Which means we can't really argue one way or another. ^^ Or well, we can argue, but both sides could be wrong, so there is no real point to it.

[Deleted]

And this is exactly something we can't prove - how different the core of Overwatch is compared to Titan. Which means we can't really argue one way or another. ^^ Or well, we can argue, but both sides could be wrong, so there is no real point to it.

Well whether there's a point to this debate or not, there is proof that Overwatch isn't like Titan, and that proof comes from what you actually said, which is that the developers didn't think Titan was fun and worth making. Yet, Overwatch was and is. Hence, they can't be too similar. Right?

[Airlick]

Well whether there's a point to this debate or not, there is proof that Overwatch isn't like Titan, and that proof comes from what you actually said, which is that the developers didn't think Titan was fun and worth making. Yet, Overwatch was and is. Hence, they can't be too similar. Right?

Can it not be that it were the PvE elements that were not fun, which is why OW is now a strictly PvP game? As I said, no definite proofs either way.

[Joeygiggles]

Stop trying to make OW a MMO.
They tried, they didn't like it and we have a product which many are happy with and that they are happy with

[Spl4sh3r]

I feel the AI has to be really really good for this to be viable. I don't mean autoaim good

[Stormspark]

You know...PVE content like dungeons is something that might actually make me interested in OW. Right now I'm have zero interest in it, because shooting respawning people in an arena isn't fun. I don't have anything against the arenas, but I do not consider them a complete game in and of themselves. Dungeons would give me some interest in the game though. So yes this is a good idea. Right now OW is alienating everyone who isn't hardcore into "arena shooters".

The game really needs some actual narrative content. I'd like to see a single player campaign for each character (it doesn't have to be huge, it should introduce the characters and provide their backstory). And then some PVE content to have something to do other than shoot people in an arena.

[Tenjen]

They should have a Modern Warfare airport dungeon.

Just imagine Tracer gleefully mowing down rows of civilians or reinhardt charging a desperate woman attempting to flee despite her legs having been frozen and shot up by Mei.

I have no idea why i said this.

[Darththeo]

Personally I don't like fps pve content. Mostly because it's very hard to make it work. Most enemies just turns out to be bullet sponges.

That is how the genre started though.

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Stop trying to make OW a MMO.
They tried, they didn't like it and we have a product which many are happy with and that they are happy with

That isn't what the OP is doing, he is wanting something else then just PvP. And the shooter market tends to want that now. People want more than just PvP in their shooters for the most part. Overwatch is a successful EXCEPTION to the rule, rather than the rule. Look at Star Wars Battlefront for the proof.

[Badl1fe]

The reason we are playing Overwatch and not Titan is because Blizz said it wasn't fun. Don't get me wrong, it would be interesting.

[Deleted]

The reason we are playing Overwatch and not Titan is because Blizz said it wasn't fun. Don't get me wrong, it would be interesting.

Overwatch with 10-20 minute mission "dungeons" wouldn't be Titan, though.

[pateuvasiliu]

Overwatch is an entire franchise. I'm sure that if it's successful they'll eventually make more games about it.

An MMO in which you make your own hero, selecting weapons and abilities for them, is something I can see happening.

Give it time.

[Deleted]

Killing Floor / Vermintide with Overwatch characters? I'd play it.

Something similar to Warframe would also work.
Would totally play the "#¤% out of that.

[Vishy]

No to the ideas of campaign or "dungeons"

Full stop.
Never.