‘Islamist’ mob terrorizes Turkish record store for playing Radiohead during Ramadan.

[Deleted]

What % of muslims are radical

It depends much on how you define "radical". Those who are prepared to personally commit violence in the name of Islam? Those who aren't willing or capable to wage a holy war themselves, but support jihadists and terrorists in principle? Those who think that Islamic laws should rule over secular laws? Those who live seemingly relatively normal lives but are ready to beat and murder their own children for not wearing a hijab, or for talking with someone they consider to be an infidel? Those who are seemingly peacefully attempting to spread Islamic influences through democratic means (and then abolish democracy the moment they get the majority, like socialists did in Eastern Europe after WW2)?

How many Muslims would count as secular, democratic atheists by Western standards? Not many.

When we talk about "moderate" Muslims, we must remember that the whole concept is extremely relative. Moderate in comparison to what? Anything looks moderate when compared to shit like ISIS. Just opposing ISIS doesn't mean they are good, rational or secular people. Even Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda oppose ISIS for their own reasons.

As the saying goes, a radical Muslim wants to kill you, and a moderate Muslim wishes for a radical Muslim to kill you.

You could also ask yourself, what do you consider to be "radical" among Christians, and then check how many Muslims share similar -- or worse -- views. What do you think the mainstream Islam's views are about things like creationism, homosexuality, or women's role in the family and society?

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There are atheists in the middle east. Like me for example.

And how big % of the population do you think people like you represent?

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Can we just nuke em already? No joke, these aren't even human beings at this point.

I know right? People who listen to Radiohead are the scum of the earth.

[Kalis]

And how big % of the population do you think people like you represent?

It does not really matter, nuking the Middle East is an utterly retarded idea, it would create even more radicalised people in the West than we have at the moment.

And it would not be just the Muslims being radicalised.

[Deleted]

It does not really matter, nuking the Middle East is an utterly retarded idea, it would create even more radicalised people in the West than we have at the moment.

And it would not be just the Muslims being radicalised.

Of course it would be a stupid idea. I would rather enforce extremely tight border controls for anyone coming from the ME.

[dragonvalor]

Of course it would be a stupid idea. I would rather enforce extremely tight border controls for anyone coming from the ME.

What would that achieve

[Kalis]

What would that achieve

Less people coming from the Middle East.

[artemishunter1]

Here is something people REALLY REALLY REALLY need to stop saying.

a)its just the radicals, not the whole religion of Islam. This is false. Yes, even in Islam we have radicals, but mainstream itself have values that does not fit well with western society. Islam is a group think religion, it does not have consideration for personal choice. In Islamic societies, you are not suppose to consume alcohol, selling it either is not allowed. You can not even allow your neighbor to drink it. Its the whole communities sin that counts, not just individual sin.
b)Another mainstream value is, no Muslim could EVER allow non muslims to be their overseer. Offcourse, in the west it falls apart due to practicality. Muslims are not majority in the west. So, our values are somewhat different than muslims in REST of the World. If we become majority, non muslims won't be our equal. We will tolerate you as second class citizen, and we will consider it as merciful.
c)Islam has no limit to underage marriage. as long as the girl starts menustration she is a woman. It is followed by ALL muslim countries. However, in west we TRY to be practical. But if the scandal in U.K. any indication, we have not changed much.
d)Slavery and classism is still accepted by Muslims. Britain saw importation of young girls and boys from Nepal right after the earthquake.
e)muslims HATE homosexuality even in teh West. NO muslims in existance celebrates homosexuality like west. Most tolerant muslims be indifferent to it. but never accept. Most would like to kill them. See the documentary what muslims really think. First gen. absolutely hates the homosexuals, second gen. indifferent to it, third gen is starting to accpet it, but due to first gen. outnumbering the third gen, and second, gen, being indifferent, homosexuals going to get killed.
f)Here is the starkest and MOST important thing to remembers. Muslims in the WEST want Muslim communities to be run by muslims indepenently without interference from nonmuslims. We consider that a good thing, we want to leave you alone, the same way we want you to leave us alone. Basicly, mini country. We all consider that a good thing. Except, this is a secular country. This is your country. There should be only one set of laws. Thus, we are bound to conflict. Oh, the conflict that would be caused by this will be blamed on you even if it is your country.
Last but not LEAST, if you want to know the TRUE nature of MUSLIMS, you need to take a look at Muslims countries. This is where we are not restrained by other powers and other socities. It is the true face of Islam and Muslims without deception, PC, or any other kind of shit.

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So that warrants illogical generalizations?

its not generalization. There are core tenets of the faith. Core tenants are the same for every muslims. No matter where. Its not generalization. Its what it means to be muslim.

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It would be a shame to see Turkey, one of the few respectable Muslim countries, to become another ass backwards hellhole.

[Thorio]

It would be a shame to see Turkey, one of the few respectable Muslim countries, to become another ass backwards hellhole.

Too bad they are on fast-track to achieve just that.

[lockedout]

"I'll fuck you alive and your corpse!"

[Cebel]

Would've shot em. The end.

[Kuntantee]

"I'll fuck you alive and your corpse!"

Turkish curses can be...uhm...quite imaginative!

[Powerogue]

i really dont know much about ramadan, so i googled and started reading. i found this particular part to be amusing, especially after watching that video.

Muslims are also supposed to try to curb negative thoughts and emotions like jealousy and anger, and even lesser things like swearing, complaining, and gossiping, during the month.

of course i have no idea how true that is.

Clearly these muslims didn't read that part. Hopefully with the video evidence they can get these scumbags in jail where they belong.

What is with all these muslims lately that are adamantly convinced people that aren't of their religion need to follow their rules anyway? I've never been assaulted by a jew for not fasting during their holidays.

[Deleted]

Here is something people REALLY REALLY REALLY need to stop saying.

a)its just the radicals, not the whole religion of Islam. This is false. Yes, even in Islam we have radicals, but mainstream itself have values that does not fit well with western society. Islam is a group think religion, it does not have consideration for personal choice. In Islamic societies, you are not suppose to consume alcohol, selling it either is not allowed. You can not even allow your neighbor to drink it. Its the whole communities sin that counts, not just individual sin.

b)Another mainstream value is, no Muslim could EVER allow non muslims to be their overseer. Offcourse, in the west it falls apart due to practicality. Muslims are not majority in the west. So, our values are somewhat different than muslims in REST of the World. If we become majority, non muslims won't be our equal. We will tolerate you as second class citizen, and we will consider it as merciful.

c)Islam has no limit to underage marriage. as long as the girl starts menustration she is a woman. It is followed by ALL muslim countries. However, in west we TRY to be practical. But if the scandal in U.K. any indication, we have not changed much.

d)Slavery and classism is still accepted by Muslims. Britain saw importation of young girls and boys from Nepal right after the earthquake.

e)muslims HATE homosexuality even in teh West. NO muslims in existance celebrates homosexuality like west. Most tolerant muslims be indifferent to it. but never accept. Most would like to kill them. See the documentary what muslims really think. First gen. absolutely hates the homosexuals, second gen. indifferent to it, third gen is starting to accpet it, but due to first gen. outnumbering the third gen, and second, gen, being indifferent, homosexuals going to get killed.

It was hilarious when our national TV/radio broadcasting company set up an "islam evening" where Muslim representatives were summoned to speak. The organizers naively thought it would somehow prove to all the "racists" how peaceful and tolerant Islam is.

And what did the imam of the local Muslim community say? "According to Islam, there's a death sentence for homosexuality."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_MRG5amBWk

f)Here is the starkest and MOST important thing to remembers. Muslims in the WEST want Muslim communities to be run by muslims indepenently without interference from nonmuslims. We consider that a good thing, we want to leave you alone, the same way we want you to leave us alone. Basicly, mini country. We all consider that a good thing. Except, this is a secular country. This is your country. There should be only one set of laws. Thus, we are bound to conflict. Oh, the conflict that would be caused by this will be blamed on you even if it is your country.

Last but not LEAST, if you want to know the TRUE nature of MUSLIMS, you need to take a look at Muslims countries. This is where we are not restrained by other powers and other socities. It is the true face of Islam and Muslims without deception, PC, or any other kind of shit.

I'm assuming that since you are bringing up all these points, you are a Muslim yourself, but don't share these beliefs. If so, I both salute you with respect, and also feel sorry for you.

its not generalization. There are core tenets of the faith. Core tenants are the same for every muslims. No matter where. Its not generalization. Its what it means to be muslim.

According to the forum's lead politruk, comrade Endus, it's not a core tenet if only 99,999% of Muslims share it. What such people fail to understand -- or refuse to admit -- is that while these beliefs may not be core tenets of all Muslim-born people personally, depending on their upbringing and personal choices in life (take Ayaan Hirsi Ali for example), they definitely are core tenets of the faith of Islam itself. And according to most (including all mainstream) interpretations, it's "all or nothing" -- you can not cherry-pick what you like and leave out what you do not like. If you do that, you are not a true Muslim.

[whyabadi]

You will be dying for a noble cause

That's great.

[Yarathir]

So nuke everyone who was listening to Radiohead too? In case you didn't know, nuclear bombs don't discriminate in who get's hurt.

would be pretty fucking cool if they did though

imagine that

[whyabadi]

And how big % of the population do you think people like you represent?

Extremely small but then again Islam was started by one man.

[Bumkin]

Alot of anal sex threats thrown in there by the islamists

[Deleted]

Extremely small but then again Islam was started by one man.

He and his supporters were willing to murder and pillage to spread their influence, an attitude that became the core tenet of Islam's teachings.

I genuinely wish you luck though. It's not easy being progressive (truly progressive, unlike certain folks here who claim to be so...) in a society where the punishment for apostasy is death.

[Revi]

Alot of anal sex threats thrown in there by the islamists

A couple of friends of mine that have been stationed(army) in the middle east have a lot of strange stories about the about of bum-love that goes on among the locals that they dealt with. Anecdotal, of course.