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Lesane
If this movie isn't resonating with general audiences then why would Warcraft resonate with them to begin with? Keep in mind that someone who hasn't seen the movie doesn't know what it's about or what it's like, so you can't say they didn't go because of how the movie turned out. This movie showcased what Warcraft is about. It's a 50/50 story between humans and orcs. Apparently people don't care unless they're already invested into Warcraft or dragged along by a Warcraft fan. This movie was already labeled as a problem movie by Universal I believe, long before any reviewers or general audience got their hands on it. Warcraft just doesn't have enough mass appeal, and unless they can make a LotR quality movie out of it (which would be an insane task due to how Warcraft works and having to rely far more on CGI) it's never going to draw in masses.
How are Frostwolves going to make any difference if you don't tell their story? This movie told the Frostwolves' story as the main story for the orcs. All character development for the orc side was purely focused on the Frostwolves.
Exactly my point. This is what Warcraft is about, two sides in conflict with each other with good and bad on both sides. If that doesn't appeal to mass audiences, then they shouldn't make Warcraft movies. Completely changing what Warcraft is about and showing a one sided story would completely miss what Warcraft is about and why would they have bothered to buy the rights for it if they're just going to completely change the soul of the franchise anyway?
Regarding the worth it statement. It was worth it in terms of existence. It was something new. A movie where the ugly beasts are not all bad and actually are strangely "human". That most people just want to see good looking humans chopping up ugly orcs is a different matter, since those people should just watch LotR for that. We didn't need another LotR movie, especially since the Warcraft movie was never designed to be a LotR style story so it would just turn out to be horrible.
I mean, look at you guys trying to advocate butchering Warcraft into a movie that completely misses the point so it can appeal to mass audiences. This is what cinema has become. Never take risks and just do whatever the mindless audiences want to see. That's why we're swimming in sequels and have 5 comic book movies per year. I'm glad they decided to stick to the essence of Warcraft with this one, even if it means it'll be the last Warcraft movie ever to be made.
Yes, that would've worked out great. Garona goes to tell the humans that not all orcs are that bad, and then the rest of the movie we just see orcs trying to raze human settlements and cities with an ending where the very orc who said they're not all bad ends up killing the human king. It would be retarded and it wouldn't even reach the 20% on RT that the current movie has. Also, no orc knew they were tricked except Durotan. All the Kil'jaeden manipulation happened behind the scenes between him and Ner'zhul/Gul'dan. It wasn't until Warcraft 3 that it was revealed that drinking the demon blood bound the orcs to the will of the Burning Legion. Even when they expanded upon the pre-WC1 story it was only Durotan and his wife that knew about it, and IIRC they never told anyone besides Orgrim.
Appeal to mass audiences.
I took non-Warcraft players with me to the movie on both occasions and they loved the movie, even though I was a bit (positively) skeptical after my first viewing. I've seen so many anecdotes of people with similar experiences. The problem isn't that the movie sucks ass for non-fans, because that's not true at all. Many non-fans liked the movie. The problem is that those non-fans don't think of going to the movie unless a fan drags them in. And since all the fans already saw the movie by now, they're not going to keep going to drag in non-fans. That's why you see the movie having such a bursting opener in China for example, and then dropping rock bottom within a week.
I mean, someone who hasn't seen the movie can never know whether it'll suck ass for him or her unless he or she sees it. The problem is not negative reactions after seeing it, it is the lack of people seeing it. Marketing failed hard on this movie, which is something that people were already discussing months before the movie came out. Even the people in this thread who are defending the movie in every way right now were having serious doubts after the promotional material they put out leading up to the movie.
Yes, let's keep the guy who came up with the Warcraft story and lore away from a movie about the Warcraft story and lore. This is the same shit that happened with Star Wars. Now shitting on Metzen is the cool thing to do like shitting on Lucas was. Well, I don't know about others but I thought TFA was a massive disappointment and I was a pretty big Star Wars fan. It wasn't a bad movie but it was just a one for one copy of ANH and definitely not worth waiting 11 years for.
I love how people twist his tweets to suit their own arguments. He was replying to some guy who ordered the Warcraft blu-ray and saying he was hyped about the director's cut to which DJ replied that the disc he ordered isn't a DC and only has some extra scenes. Later people asked him if that means there's no DC to which he replied that it's all driven by numbers. In other words, if the people who invest in this movie are satisfied enough with what the movie managed to earn there'll be a DC and otherwise not. That's literally what he has been saying before, during and after the movie came out. Somehow people think it's something new.
Uhm, yes? The goal of marketing is to get people hyped up to go see the movie. They failed everywhere because they only managed to convince the fans who were most likely going to see it regardless.
The movie having issues does not cause the box office drop. The movie having issues isn't revealed until you either watch the movie yourself or hear someone else talking about it and recommending you not to spend your money on it. Unless you're willing to argue that BO results for any movie after the opening weekend are just people who want to watch the movie for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time, your argument makes no sense. The only way the movie having issues leads to such a major drop in BO is if the reviews are so bad that nobody wants to see the movie anymore after reading them. That was definitely part of what happened in the US. I have no idea about the Chinese reviews.
1. Paula Patton herself mentioned in interviews that she was wearing her teeth prosthetic all the time prior to filming and that she was taking care of her kid while wearing them or whatever.
2. Those computer generated characters are played by actors as well. It's just that they have a CGI character layered over them. Their mimics, dialogue and other forms of acting are all done by the mo-cap actor.
It's the only thing that matters when it comes to discussing the performance of a movie and the potential for a sequel.
It's called the beginning because it's the beginning of the story. Duncan Jones himself stated that he has ideas for sequels and we'll have to wait and see if they "let him" make them. They obviously won't let him do it if the film is a financial disaster. Blizzard has no say in this lol. Blizzard just gives the rights to use their franchise and has some people advising them to make sure it doesn't stray too far away from what they want Warcraft to be known for.
Are you seriously trying to argue that film studios do not base their decisions on money?
Legendary acquired the rights to Warcraft and it's not as easy as saying "we're just gonna let some other guys do it". There's a Warcraft movie made by Legendary now and they can't just produce a sequel based on the first movie if that first movie was made by another studio.
Also, no studio is going to sign up for making another Warcraft movie if the first one was a financial failure.
His arguments make way more sense than "it's titled the beginning so sequels are already confirmed" or "it's Blizzard of course they'll do a sequel".
Except you know, if they're making 10007 movies that don't make a worthwhile profit they're going to run out of money real fast.
Yes they had mockups of Orgrim and orc weapons so the actors could get a scope of the size for reference. It wasn't used in any of the filming though.
Yet another Timewalking loot post ( As directed by GM)
Opened timewalking Cache before hotfix
Boosting payments.
Did Blizzard just hotfix an ilvl requirement onto Awakened LFR?
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