Next American Civil War

[Mornic]

Lol nah kid. Just callin obvious bait what it is--obvious. Nice try though!

Why is it "bait"?

[Mornic]

Hahahah nope. Not touchin that.

Because you don't know.

[Mornic]

Oh man. You got me hooked now. I'm TOTALLY gonna give in and get into a long senseless debate to prove to a stranger what anyone with half a brain already knows. YOU GOT ME BRO!

On a more serious note, haven't we all gotten a little tired of seeing the same people play the same games on these forums? Guns, politics, religion, whatever the topic de jour is, it always brings out the same people with the same acts. Isn't it time we return to more reasonable dialogue? Or is this just what happens during content droughts?

I think as soon as people can understand and accept people have different opinions and views on things and aren't "baiting" then no, we can't.

[Mornic]

Sweety, you don't have an opinion. You expressed a desire to go kill people whose opinions differ from yours to try and provoke a response. And this is all the response you're getting:
:-P :-P :-P :-P

And since it's different then you're opinion and views I'm "baiting". You don't like people being able to think and say what they want?

[glo]

I wouldn't mind cappin a few politically correct libs if civil war did happen.

Lol, you're so edgy bro.

[xChurch]

Just look at how bad Venezuela is now and it still isn't a full-blown civil war. America has a long long way to go before it even gets to that point.

[Mornic]

Again--expressing a desire to kill people who disagree with you is not an opinion. Anyway, you already know that, you're just desperate to provoke a response cuz no one will take your bait. It's boring, so I'm gonna go divert myself with those who can provide more stimulating conversation. Ta!

In all reality you're probably on you're way to see your therapist claiming ptsd. have a good one lib pos

Infracted for flaming

[Mornic]

Lol, you're so edgy bro.

having an opinion is edgy these days... damn libs

[glo]

have a good one lib pos

Yet just a short while ago you were showing support for basic income. You know, that super liberal socialist thing in Europe:

Everyone should be able to feed their selves and families. if it comes at the cost of a little more tax then so be it.

You're a funny dude.

[Mornic]

Yet just a short while ago you were showing support for basic income. You know, that super liberal socialist thing in Europe:



You're a funny dude.

you dont agree? people should be able to eat?

[glo]

you dont agree? people should be able to eat?

I don't know man, that kind of thinking may make you a "lib pos". Sounds like you have a political identity issue, or maybe you just forgot to put the letter "o" into your forum name.

[Emjay18]

If you want to man up and sign on the dotted line maybe you can go out and do some good too. My guess is you'd rather sit around judging people on an internet forum crying for handouts.

It's all good, friend.

Handouts?

Do you think tricare etc. comes from the ether? It was paid for by someone else ffs. Nothing is free, remember? The BAH and all that is free to you, but it sure isn't free to everyone. You're assuming that I'm shitting on your service or that I'm saying that you don't deserve what you've been given, which is 100% false. What does irk me is the sheer idiocy of thinking that all the good things in your life are somehow a product of shit you've done, and the disregard for other people who are enabling such benefits in the first place. You assume that 'giving back' is something no one else does, and that anyone else wanting what you've had and done is not also doing that 'giving back.'

I also think it's hilarious that you talk of manning up when you can't even admit to yourself that you aren't John Wayne reincarnated on a small island, and that just like everyone else on planet Earth, you give, take, and build upon what was already here. This is why America can't win wars -- we keep putting little boys with insecurities into giant group operations that think they single handedly wiped out the Iraqi army.

Or...or...you could find yourself some skills that are worth more than minimum wage and quit asking businesses to pay you more than your worth for a lifestyle that others spend 20 years plus busting their ass and working up the ladder to get.

Such CRAZY concepts amirte?

TIP: getting said education takes time and money. See --

There is no such thing as a free lunch

You're 100% correct. As it currently stands in the US, not everyone has the money to do that, because not everyone has the government pay it via the GI bill. By saying someone has to earn their own way and not have someone else pay their way for them, you are including yourself as one of the 'takers' (if you went to college, I don't know if you did) in that scenario because that is exactly what has happened -- someone else, namely the taxpayer, paid for something you got.

[Mornic]

I don't know man, that kind of thinking may make you a "lib pos". Sounds like you have a political identity issue, or maybe you just forgot to put the letter "o" into your forum name.

Or that i also think that people should be able to eat??.. lol.....

[glo]

Or that i also think that people should be able to eat??.. lol.....

So you support socialism. Welcome to the "liberal pos" party!

[Mornic]

So you support socialism. Welcome to the "liberal pos" party!

No I support people being able to feed themselves and their familes. If you view that as a party then you're messed up in the head. That's a universal point of view for anyone with a brain.

[glo]

Lol don't take his bait. He doesn't have a position, he's just desperate for attention.

I think 90% of my posts in OT consist of me taking the bait.

[RuneDK]

It is going to make me sound really bad, but I really want to another civil war to breakout. I absolutely hate the system that is in place in America at the moment. Corporations and the wealthy squash and oppress everyone else beneath them, and they have government on their side to make sure it stays that way. As politics become more and more corrupted the only way real change is ever going to happen is through violent revolt of the masses. Honestly, I want a little bit of revenge on the wealthy and corporations for forcing me to exist on slave wages.

Won't happen because while we have the biggest civilian militia in the world which is why we will be impossible to invade....the government is in control of the military and the enemy(foreign or domestic) will never be the government.

[Detritivores]

Pretty much.


But why is it sad? When the vast majority of people are okay with the quality of life they are receiving, and for a good reason (you will hardly find any place on this planet in which an average citizen lives visibly better off than an average US citizen), then why crush the system with ghostly perspectives of a better world afterwards (more likely, a much worse world)?

It is different in case of, say, India or China: while people still don't rebel there, the average quality of life is pretty atrocious, compared to the leading countries, so there is a real perspective of taking the best from the leaders and getting on their level, or close. But in case of the US, what are the perspectives in case of change? Since no one else has managed to build a significantly better country, there is a good reason to believe that it is not as simple to do as to just scream, "REVOLUCION!!!!!", depose the government and live happy lives afterwards.

If it works, and works pretty darn well, then why change it, when the vast majority of alternatives are much worse, and those that are significantly better - are very hard to achieve? It is like being a millionaire and saying, "Okay, I will invest everything I have in a company that is with 10% chance is going to make me a billionaire. 90% chance that I will lose everything and become homeless, but that's okay!". It is just not how it's done. Change is needed, but not the drastic change the OP is talking about - just certain fine tunings here and there, and possibly significant revamp in a few selected fields (healthcare, welfare, anti-monopoly laws).

It's sad because we still have large homeless populations, large proportions of children with food scarcity, atrociously unacceptable infant mortality, many, many things wrong and easily fixable in the US. I have no idea why it feels good to people like you to say "hey look! we're better than third world countries!" as if that should placate the masses and stop us from trying to do better. It shouldn't. Poor folks in the US do better than poor folks in most countries, yes. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't do better still. We have the means. We only lack the will.

[A dot Ham]

It is going to make me sound really bad, but I really want to another civil war to breakout. I absolutely hate the system that is in place in America at the moment. Corporations and the wealthy squash and oppress everyone else beneath them, and they have government on their side to make sure it stays that way. As politics become more and more corrupted the only way real change is ever going to happen is through violent revolt of the masses. Honestly, I want a little bit of revenge on the wealthy and corporations for forcing me to exist on slave wages.

As per your 2nd Amendment right, organize a militia and take it to the capital... just don't be surprised when they don't play fair.

[Detritivores]

The bar for entry as a candidate is not so high that you can't qualify without heavy corporate backing.

http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2..._form2nm.shtml

You need $5k in backing. That's it. That's five thousand, not even fifty thousand, let alone millions. There's currently a little over 1700 candidates. The money you're referring to is for advertising, not to become a valid candidate and get your name on ballots. If you can gain popular support through some other means, without spending that money, that's just as valid.

Yes. I absolutely blame the voters for making the easy choice for the most convenient candidates. It's like saying you can't get a better burger than McDonalds' or Burger King, because those two are the most heavily advertised and thus the only real candidates. Sure, they probably win on overall sales, but that doesn't mean you can't make a better choice.

Really? This is the voter's fault? While at a certain point, I agree. I don't hold all 300 million of us to the the standard of intense internet trolling that allows me to have informed opinions. 99% of us are aware of 20 or less of those 1700 candidates, and acting like that's our fault, while technically probably true, doesn't help fix the problem.