[Real Talk] Possible Future Playable Races.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The only meaningful argument against high elves is blood elf popularity.
Yet, with human racial - one of the biggest culprits for alliance PvP playerbase - getting "fixed", more players will return to horde, and all that's necessary to make high elves successfully implemented is giving the horde a highly requested race as well - ogres would be a good candidate.

High elves are not going to be plyable. Blizzard made their choice in burning crusade.

The same thing with ogres, blizzard gave up on them in cata

And hey bub, something called purge of dal happened which pushed the blood elves to proclaim that they were the horde and would never back down? Jaina fucked the chances. So again, you're going to have to deal with it.

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Yet, with human racial - one of the biggest culprits for alliance PvP playerbase - getting "fixed", more players will return to horde, and all that's necessary to make high elves successfully implemented is giving the horde a highly requested race as well - ogres would be a good candidate.

Lot and lots of Alliance players who don't care about high elves will complain that the Horde is getting an actual new race, while they are getting a race that existed on the other side for 10 years. And they would be right.

[Nurvus]

High elves are not going to be plyable. Blizzard made their choice in burning crusade.

The same thing with ogres, blizzard gave up on them in cata

And hey bub, something called purge of dal happened which pushed the blood elves to proclaim that they were the horde and would never back down? Jaina fucked the chances. So again, you're going to have to deal with it.

Yeah because every decision made by important characters in Warcraft has always been absolute, immutable and affected every other character in the exact same way.
You should get out of the Caverns of Time every once in a while.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah because every decision made by important characters in Warcraft has always been absolute, immutable and affected every other character in the exact same way.
You should get out of the Caverns of Time every once in a while.

And you should bother to actually pay attention to a story instead of ignoring large parts of it all to make your argument for blood elves ever going neutral make any sense. The Purge of Dalaran effected the common blood elf. This is why they became more horde than ever.

[Nurvus]

Lot and lots of Alliance players who don't care about high elves will complain that the Horde is getting an actual new race, while they are getting a race that existed on the other side for 10 years. And they would be right.

Players will always complain about something.
And arguably worgen vs goblins wasn't exactly creative vs creative.

[Mehrunes]

People expect playable Quel'dorei on the Alliance, because they were a part of the Alliance prior to the World of Warcraft, and they're still a part of the Alliance in the World of Warcraft. How hard is it to understand? Blizzard screwed-up by not making them neutral.

So are the Wisps. I doubt they are going to be playable anytime soon. Perhaps Alliance players should manage their expectations better.

[Nurvus]

And you should bother to actually pay attention to a story instead of ignoring large parts of it all to make your argument for blood elves ever going neutral make any sense. The Purge of Dalaran effected the common blood elf. This is why they became more horde than ever.

If you were correct, all High elves would be Horde.
They aren't.

For you to be correct, all races that ever became playable in the Alliance would be / have been former allies.
They weren't.

In every case, a new situation arose that made them join the Alliance.

As I said, you need to get out of the Caverns of Time.
Warcraft has more than a past. It has a present and a future too.

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Players will always complain about something.
And arguably worgen vs goblins wasn't exactly creative vs creative.

It was still something new to experiment as a player. Gameplay > Lore.

And a new race is something important. The backlash will be momentous if Blizzard decides to work on an actual new race for only one faction.

[Friendlyimmolation]

If you were correct, all High elves would be Horde.
They aren't

over 90% are, this isnt pandaren where its a nice even split.

Warcraft has more than a past. It has a present and a future too.

Yea the future of the race is called blood elves, and they have cemented themselves in the Horde, where have you been?

if anyone is stuck in caverns of time its you, because your adamant on times changing. The Blood elves went further into the Horde with every xpac.

[Nurvus]

It was still something new to experiment as a player. Gameplay > Lore.

And a new race is something important. The backlash will be momentous if Blizzard decides to work on an actual new race for only one faction.

You are implying High Elves would require no work.
High Elves can be given different voices, animations, haircuts, and most important of all - starting experience and representative NPCs that will help you integrate into the story.
Unless for you models > gameplay > lore.

[Friendlyimmolation]

You are implying High Elves would require no work.
High Elves can be given different voices, animations, haircuts, and most important of all - starting experience and representative NPCs that will help you integrate into the story.
Unless for you models > gameplay > lore.

and once again the dumbest of all high elf arguments rears its ugly head. High elves look exactly the same as blood elf, any voices, haircuts, animations would go to the Blood elves first because they are the exact same race, and more importantly blood elves are playable.

[Obelisk Kai]

How in the hell can you interpret that quote to mean that the ogres would not join the Horde? He, literally (and I hate using this term), just stated that he "really wanted to get ogres on the Horde."

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It's good to see that Friendly is still trolling away on this thread.

Please re-read what I wrote.

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If you were correct, all High elves would be Horde.
They aren't.

For you to be correct, all races that ever became playable in the Alliance would be / have been former allies.
They weren't.

In every case, a new situation arose that made them join the Alliance.

As I said, you need to get out of the Caverns of Time.
Warcraft has more than a past. It has a present and a future too.

Yes they did. And moving the stereotypical Elves to an atypical faction was a big, bold move.

You want Blizzard to spend time, effort and energy reasserting the fantasy status quo?

How bloody dull is that?

[In Ogres We Trust]

Yeah because every decision made by important characters in Warcraft has always been absolute, immutable and affected every other character in the exact same way.
You should get out of the Caverns of Time every once in a while.

Just ignore him; he's a troll.

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It was still something new to experiment as a player. Gameplay > Lore.

And a new race is something important. The backlash will be momentous if Blizzard decides to work on an actual new race for only one faction.

Only according to you. A large portion of the community would be happy with such a decision, and I don't see how it would bother anyone to finally have the complete, RTS factions within the game as playable options.

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Unless for you models > gameplay > lore.

Not only for me, but for Blizzard.

Starting zones and representative NPCs are not the "most important of all". Working on these is actually not very rewarding for Blizzard. People often forget about the starting experience as quick as they did it. When people trashes Cataclysm, they never even think of the Goblin and Worgen starting zones, they just remember the last raid.

Blizzard will continue to do starting zones, because they're cool from a design standpoint, and people will call them lazy if they don't, but they're not the driving factor when they decide to introduce a new race.

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Only according to you. A large portion of the community would be happy with such a decision, and I don't see how it would bother anyone to finally have the complete, RTS factions within the game as playable options.

The vast majority of the people who play this game cares very little about the Lore. That's a basic fact.

And really, not thinking that Alliance players would get angry to have the blood elves but with blue eyes while the Horde gets an actual new race is delusional. Some people will be happy about that, but they will be in the minority. Here's how well received was a post about High elves (kinda), not in the lore forum, but in the Legion Beta one : http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...Everyone-happy

[Friendlyimmolation]

Just ignore him; he's a troll.

do you call everyone who points out your gaping holes in your arguments? Or do I have a special place in your heart?

Only according to you. A large portion of the community would be happy with such a decision, and I don't see how it would bother anyone to finally have the complete, RTS factions within the game as playable options.

Lol as someone else said, "warcraft lore isn't a fossil" High elves never were a major Alliance race, and now they moved on further and over 90% of them joined the Horde. Its time for you to move on and pick something else to whine about.

[Mehrunes]

Lol as someone else said, "warcraft lore isn't a fossil" High elves never were a major Alliance race, and now they moved on further and over 90% of them joined the Horde. Its time for you to move on and pick something else to whine about.

Shhh, no. Given the lack of creativity in obsessions dropping the High Elves would only result in an even bigger flood of "Salvoinis is Hitler and the Blight is worse than Hiroshima". I'd rather have some of them obsess over High Elves instead. At least it's pure in a way, in the end it's people who just want to play a race they like on the faction they like (and said race was once affiliated with), just ignoring the unlikelihood of that ever happening. While the other is pure, unredeemable shitpost.

[Zulkhan]

I don't understand why you think that I'm having a hard time to accept it. I've just written down why Blizzard will never introduce high elves as a playable race for the Alliance, nothing else. Having blood elves on the Alliance side after all this time wouldn't be a good move for the game regardless of the lore sense.

Lore sense? Adding a playable race has little to do with "lore sense" anyway, it's mostly about game mechanics. "Lore sense" High Elves are already part of the Alliance, even though they're clearly not in par with the other races in terms of political weight within the faction, you mostly got a single military organization serving Dalaran and some High Elves diplomatically engaged with the Alliance far away in the Hinterlands. They're not even barely close to the importance and the presence High Elves had in the Alliance back to WC2-WC3, understandable if we consider how 90% of their currently remaning members are Horde members.

The faction balance is an issue but is like pointing at the straw while ignoring the beam. The obvious reason why they'll never be playable is because such race got introduced as new playable Horde race 10 years ago already, the side of this race that actually matters and where the vast majority of its lore stick. High Elves in the Alliance are just there to stir some nostalgic feelings, much like the Stonemaul and Revantusk (Ogres and Forest Trolls respectively) do in the Horde and they would get the same amount of screen time if it wasn't for that accursed abomination created by Knaak.

You should get out of the Caverns of Time every once in a while.

Funny, that's exactly what High Elf supporters should do.

Lol as someone else said, "warcraft lore isn't a fossil" High elves never were a major Alliance race, and now they moved on further and over 90% of them joined the Horde. Its time for you to move on and pick something else to whine about.

He's just another High Elf supporter who can't get over the fact that the ship has sailed. 10 years ago.

They seem to believe the majority of the playerbase is a bunch of nostalgic freaks like them. I mean, the majority of the playerbase don't give a shit about lore to begin with.

[Nurvus]

Lore sense? Adding a playable race has little to do with "lore sense" anyway, it's mostly about game mechanics. "Lore sense" High Elves are already part of the Alliance, even though they're clearly not in par with the other races in terms of political weight within the faction, you mostly got a single military organization serving Dalaran and some High Elves diplomatically engaged with the Alliance far away in the Hinterlands. They're not even barely close to the importance and the presence High Elves had in the Alliance back to WC2-WC3, understandable if we consider how 90% of their currently remaning members are Horde members.

The faction balance is an issue but is like pointing at the straw while ignoring the beam. The obvious reason why they'll never be playable is because such race got introduced as new playable Horde race 10 years ago already, the side of this race that actually matters and where the vast majority of its lore stick. High Elves in the Alliance are just there to stir some nostalgic feelings, much like the Stonemaul and Revantusk (Ogres and Forest Trolls respectively) do in the Horde and they would get the same amount of screen time if it wasn't for that accursed abomination created by Knaak.



Funny, that's exactly what High Elf supporters should do.



He's just another High Elf supporter who can't get over the fact that the ship has sailed. 10 years ago.

They seem to believe the majority of the playerbase is a bunch of nostalgic freaks like them. I mean, the majority of the playerbase don't give a shit about lore to begin with.

You got it wrong.
I'm against know-it-all people who distort and ignore arguments they call delusional in their attempt of enforcing equally delusional predictions.

At this point almost all realistically potential new races are a nightmare to implement in one way or another.
Some are hard due to models (naga, centaurs and 2-head ogres?) others low on popularity, others require more Lore development.

Some people share their arguments for race a or b.
Others just come here to "win" an argument.

There are 3 absolute thruths in this shitpostfest:
1 - None of us know which races will be added.
2 - If Blizzard decides to add a race, no matter how unlikely you think it might be Lorewise, they can make it happen in a believable way
3 - There will always be whining no matter what races are added.

So knock yourselves out deciding who is the best prophet.

[Obelisk Kai]

You got it wrong.
I'm against know-it-all people who distort and ignore arguments they call delusional in their attempt of enforcing equally delusional predictions.

At this point almost all realistically potential new races are a nightmare to implement in one way or another.
Some are hard due to models (naga, centaurs and 2-head ogres?) others low on popularity, others require more Lore development.

Some people share their arguments for race a or b.
Others just come here to "win" an argument.

And some seem to come to defend a lost one.

[Nurvus]

And some seem to come to defend a lost one.

I'm not defending High Elves.
I'm just attacking silly know-it-all naysayer prophecies.
The difference is that I dont need to ignore, distort or exagerate to make my points.

Fun fact:
I checked your signature, then realized those that first mentioned high elves did so among other races they consider plausible, and then the naysayers turn it into a "why high elves will never, 100% guaranteed, be playable" diacussion.