Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Bar

[RickJamesLich]

Just grabbing this one here now.
Let us think about this for a moment.
What do you think would happen if Obama would be more outspoken about Chicago in particular, in addition to his already rather sufficient criticism on the handling of the gun laws?
Don't you think how at least the far right would try to rip him apart, and try to label all his concerns as nothing else than a personal anti gun vendetta?

Do you think there's other means of stopping crime outside of gun control? For example trying to break up gangs, a larger police force, perhaps creating new social services programs related to the issue..... just a few examples. Or how about acknowledging it's a serious problem? I guess that will not happen because the left does not feel this is a serious issue.

And I'm aware crime will always be a problem but in 2016, you'd think Americans living in the rough parts of Chicago and other cities wouldn't have to deal with stuff like worrying about getting shot, the kids joining gangs, drug problems, etc.

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What's your point? The illegal guns will continue to be confiscated and destroyed while overall there are less guns available which significantly increases their black market value. Right now your average gang banger in Chicago could probably get a gun for a couple hundred or less. I guarantee you homicides will decrease significantly when it costs a couple thousand to get a gun on the street and there are less drugged out gangsters running around with guns because they can't afford it.

Would you not agree that this would strengthen said black market then? If the value of it's commodities are going up. A thousand dollars is not much money to someone that sells drugs for example, for all we know people may just end up getting the extra money and still buying them. Not to mention, when our country already has hundreds of millions of guns, we don't really know if the price will go up at all or by a significant amount at least.

[RickJamesLich]

Prices of guns on the black market skyrocketed in Australia after they started banning those guns. It's also pretty simple economics, demand remains constant, supply goes down=price goes up. Your average drug dealer does not make thousands of dollars and your average gang banger might not be a drug dealer anyway.

Why do you keep suggesting the left doesn't consider it a serious problem? It's a gun control issue, of course it's a serious problem to them.

I think the left's notion that gun control is the only way to reduce crime is why they aren't taking it seriously. That's not the only way, obviously lol.

That being said there are massive differences between Australia and the US, no clue how many guns were in the country prior to their laws, but I doubt it was 300,000,000+. Not to mention of course, we are right next to Mexico where it's incredibly easy to sneak in a variety of illegal goods into the country. Not to mention, as a few others have said, 3D printing technology will sooner rather than later be easily available and people can use them to make guns, making the process of acquiring a weapon A LOT easier.

[Wildtree]

Do you think there's other means of stopping crime outside of gun control? For example trying to break up gangs, a larger police force, perhaps creating new social services programs related to the issue..... just a few examples. Or how about acknowledging it's a serious problem? I guess that will not happen because the left does not feel this is a serious issue.

This has nothing to do with the left vs right. Absolutely not.

Yes, actually the points you've listed are valid, and need to be improved too.
It's the sum that's greater than the parts. Gun control is just one part, but one that needs to be tackled as well.
Again, law abiding citizen have nothing to fear. They can have their guns, and can retain them.

[Khaza-R]

How do you explain a country like Mexico though where gun homicides are clearly rampant despite guns being outlawed?

Yeah because clearly we should be comparing the US to a third word county and not the rest of the first world

[Wthrmn]

Yeah because clearly we should be comparing the US to a third word county and not the rest of the first world

Show me another country that has similar economic standing, population, demographics and culture as the United States.

[oxymoronic]

Different levels of development. Crime tends to be more predominant in nations with less economic development. Comparing the USA with Mexico its not a valid comparison.

mexico is one the largest economies in the world...

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Yeah because clearly we should be comparing the US to a third word county and not the rest of the first world

what 1st world? a handful of countries with small population? also less racial diverse countries with even lesser of a sub-sahara population. i mean just wait till those refugees are embedded in these so called perfect countries. you dont think the crime rates will go up dramatically? you're wrong if so.

[lockedout]

Show me another country that has similar economic standing, population, demographics and culture as the United States.

There are none, but that won't stop the comparisons to "other first world countries" and "Per capita!"

[A Dark Knight]

No, you're wrong

no you are wrong

[Hooked]

Interesting that omar mateen was in 2 movies, he was listed on the IMDB as an actor in 2 movies. He is no longer listed and his name has been erased.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ill-story.html

"The big fix" is one movie he was in, it was like a leftwing gotcha documentary and he was the security guard that spilled the beans about evil big oil to some random person trying to enter the facility.

The 2nd movie is called "love city, jalalabad", he was listed as "the bad boy".

I wonder why no reporters or news outlets reported this?.

[Hooked]

Heh? That's one of the very first things I read about him.

Edit: in fact, it's one of the only things I read about him.

Can you link a major news article on it?, I haven't found any.

[IKT]

Can you link a major news article on it?, I haven't found any.

https://news.google.com/news/story?n...-zA2wQqgIIJzAA

[zenkai]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...en-saw-n596496


[Friend Explains Why He Alerted FBI to Orlando Shooter Before Attack]
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Omar Mateen didn't always fit the profile of a would-be radicalized killer, a friend told NBC News.

In 2014, American-born Mateen was remarried to a second wife and had a new son — and his friend, Mohammad Malik, had never heard him express extremist views or say anything homophobic.
[Meet the Muslim Man Who Reported Orlando Shooter to the FBI]
Meet the Muslim Man Who Reported Orlando Shooter to the FBI 0:37

But after a young man who went to their Florida mosque was killed in a suicide bombing in Syria that year, one thing did trouble Malik: Mateen said he was listening to recordings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the radical Islamic cleric killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen three years earlier. The suicide bomber, Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, had said in videos before he was killed that al-Awlaki inspired him.
Image: Mohammed Malik
Mohammed Malik. NBC News

"It threw up a red flag for me," Malik told NBC News on Tuesday. "I asked him what he thought of them and he said they were very powerful, which raised a red flag even more for me."

Malik dialed the FBI. Agents investigated, but later determined that Mateen — who had been the focus of another probe the year before for "inflammatory" comments to co-workers — was not a threat.

That was the last time that Malik had thought about Mateen's potential terrorist ties, until June 12 — when the 29-year-old slaughtered 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando and pledged allegiance to ISIS in a 911 call amid the rampage.

Related: FBI Releases Full Transcript of 911 Calls from Orlando Massacre

Malik, 43, revealed in a Washington Post essay on Monday how he tried to tip off the FBI about his friend, whom he had first met in 2006 at a family dinner and would stay in touch mostly through texts and phone calls.

"My hope and guess is that (the FBI) did the best job that they could (investigating him)," Malik added.

His observations of Mateen add another layer to a man whom co-workers said fostered a "toxic" work environment and was prone to expressing racist views against blacks and sexist views against women.
[Orlando Gunman's Ex-Wife: 'He Would Get Mad Out of Nowhere']
Orlando Gunman's Ex-Wife: 'He Would Get Mad Out of Nowhere' 8:01

Mateen's first wife, Sitora Yusufiy, previously told reporters that he physically abused her and she believes he was mentally ill and took steroids.

Malik, however, saw his friend as being "very introverted," but never discussed any deep-seated hatred.

If anything, Malik said, racism and oppression — specifically of Muslims, black and Latinos — seemed to bother him, and he never spoke out against gays or hinted that he had used a gay dating app, as has been reported, or was interested in men.

"All of this came out afterward. I never heard him mention anything homophobic or along gay lines," Malik said. "Actually, to the contrary, (he said) he loved women, he liked women. That's fine. But nothing as far as being gay or homophobic."

A motive for the attack still remains unclear.

Related: Psychologist: I Never Evaluated Orlando Shooter Mateen

Investigators have been trying to determine whether Mateen had previously been inside the Pulse nightclub — or any other gay club — before the attack and if he had used gay dating apps.

Sources told NBC News that he had been using dating websites — to meet women, not men.

The last time Malik said he spoke with Mateen was in mid-May. Mateen called him while he was at the beach with his son to tell him he had been on a vacation with his father recently in Orlando. He said he liked the local mosque, Malik recalled.

The last time they saw one another was in January, when they spoke about politics. Malik said he supported Bernie Sanders. Mateen told him he liked Hillary Clinton because he wanted a candidate who could beat Donald Trump in November.

Malik is still trying to make sense of the friend he had and the killer he became.

He said he was recently scrolling through his phone and saw Mateen's name. He stopped on it and pressed delete.

"It's just sad to see that name in there," he said.

[Sierra85]

Interesting that omar mateen was in 2 movies, he was listed on the IMDB as an actor in 2 movies. He is no longer listed and his name has been erased.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ill-story.html

"The big fix" is one movie he was in, it was like a leftwing gotcha documentary and he was the security guard that spilled the beans about evil big oil to some random person trying to enter the facility.

The 2nd movie is called "love city, jalalabad", he was listed as "the bad boy".

I wonder why no reporters or news outlets reported this?.

so he was an actor? or just someone that had a vocal opinion?

what are you saying, that it was faked or that it is a coincidence?