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    Another reason people might not respond to unsolicited advice is that they've got the chats muted.

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    There is literally no way to give someone advice in-game without sounding like a twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henako View Post
    There is literally no way to give someone advice in-game without sounding like a twat.
    The advice I usually give is simple, short-form "be sure to keep their *x* on lockdown, usually when I'm playing as a tank or support and I notice one of the enemy team is picking people off.

    The only specific advice I give to other players is usually at the end of a match, and is usually for when people messed up something really badly... Like someone playing torbjorn and not knowing good places to put turrets (had a torb on defense once that kept running into the enemy team's path and trying to drop a turret in full sight of them) and other drastically apparent things like that.

    But I never frame it in the form of "L2 torbjorn you dicknozzle" or anything like that. Much more like "hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henako View Post
    There is literally no way to give someone advice in-game without sounding like a twat.
    The advice I usually give is simple, short-form "be sure to keep their *x* on lockdown, usually when I'm playing as a tank or support and I notice one of the enemy team is picking people off.

    The only specific advice I give to other players is usually at the end of a match, and is usually for when people messed up something really badly... Like someone playing torbjorn and not knowing good places to put turrets (had a torb on defense once that kept running into the enemy team's path and trying to drop a turret in full sight of them) and other drastically apparent things like that.

    But I never frame it in the form of "L2 torbjorn you dicknozzle" or anything like that. Much more like "hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
    You're missing the point. The mere fact that you see it as your job to be giving advice to others is what creates the problem. It's not in how you give it and which words you use. It's just that you give it when it's not asked for.

    Giving advice is fine, when it's wanted and asked for. Giving unsolicited advice is what makes people not like you. By "you" I mean the general "you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    You're missing the point. The mere fact that you see it as your job to be giving advice to others is what creates the problem. It's not in how you give it and which words you use. It's just that you give it when it's not asked for.

    Giving advice is fine, when it's wanted and asked for. Giving unsolicited advice is what makes people not like you. By "you" I mean the general "you".
    It's a team based game; you need to acknowledge teammates.

    I don't harangue people after the match has concluded and the teams been disbanded (I don't whisper the person; I talk in team chat) and I usually don't say anything unless, as I said, they're doing something painfully inept.
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    Yeah, of course I don't know what "level" I'm at, but I generally don't see too much flat out pants-on-head stupid play out of anyone.

    What I DO see are people who don't follow what I might have thought was "the right strategy" - and likewise, I'm sure they think I'm the one not following their idea of "the right strategy" and thus the team is largely fractured and we fall apart.

    It's a curious thing because working well as a team is often the largest part of these games. So even if you get a team full of "good players", if you don't find a way to work together, you're going to have a bad time and you're going to feel like it must have been something wrong with what the rest of the team was doing, since clearly YOU had the right plan.
    Very true. It doesn't help that my favorite heroes to play are Winston and D.va, who both require more unique ways of approaching the objective than just charging in.

    Really the main issues I see aren't people doing utterly stupid things but just not learning from mistakes. Whenever I see a Reinhardt charge onto the point and get killed immediately and then come back and do the exact same thing I have to wonder what they are thinking.

    And for God's sake I wish people would be more aggressive. I can't tell you how many times I've jumped in as winston, killed their Mercy, and led two other people around on a wild goose chase and I look around and the rest of my team is just sitting at the choke point hiding behind the wall and taking potshots.
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    people don't want to be told what to do if they're solo in quick play. big surprise.

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    Just a rule for playing any online game: never give out unwarranted advice. It will never go well for you.

    You may think you're being helpful, but on the receiving end you sound like a pretentious douche. It's better to just live and let live unless you really think said person will actually appreciate it for whatever reason. Worse yet, it's often the case that someone's "constructive criticism" is just a thinly veiled excuse to tell someone they're shit or doing something wrong and I can't even begin to tell you how often I've seen people give advice that was completely, utterly wrong.

    In short: Keep your comments to yourself and just play the game. If someone wants advice, they'll ask for it. Otherwise just work around bad players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The advice I usually give is simple, short-form "be sure to keep their *x* on lockdown, usually when I'm playing as a tank or support and I notice one of the enemy team is picking people off.

    The only specific advice I give to other players is usually at the end of a match, and is usually for when people messed up something really badly... Like someone playing torbjorn and not knowing good places to put turrets (had a torb on defense once that kept running into the enemy team's path and trying to drop a turret in full sight of them) and other drastically apparent things like that.

    But I never frame it in the form of "L2 torbjorn you dicknozzle" or anything like that. Much more like "hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
    Yea... just no.

    No one wants to hear your 2 cents about how they are playing/ have played.

    If you want to communicate get a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    It's a team based game; you need to acknowledge teammates.

    I don't harangue people after the match has concluded and the teams been disbanded (I don't whisper the person; I talk in team chat) and I usually don't say anything unless, as I said, they're doing something painfully inept.
    Nope. Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IxilaFA View Post
    And for God's sake I wish people would be more aggressive. I can't tell you how many times I've jumped in as winston, killed their Mercy, and led two other people around on a wild goose chase and I look around and the rest of my team is just sitting at the choke point hiding behind the wall and taking potshots.
    This. This. A million times this. It's usually two Junkrats lobbing grenades as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravex View Post
    Yea... just no.

    No one wants to hear your 2 cents about how they are playing/ have played.

    If you want to communicate get a team.

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    Nope. Not at all.
    Well then... Who's going to stop me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Well then... Who's going to stop me?
    Well, to "stop you", people are just going to mute you, or mute all chats, and that'll be thanks to your unsolicited advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The advice I usually give is simple, short-form "be sure to keep their *x* on lockdown, usually when I'm playing as a tank or support and I notice one of the enemy team is picking people off.

    The only specific advice I give to other players is usually at the end of a match, and is usually for when people messed up something really badly... Like someone playing torbjorn and not knowing good places to put turrets (had a torb on defense once that kept running into the enemy team's path and trying to drop a turret in full sight of them) and other drastically apparent things like that.

    But I never frame it in the form of "L2 torbjorn you dicknozzle" or anything like that. Much more like "hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
    I'm just telling you that no matter how nice you are, or your intention, there's no way to achieve this without sounding like a twat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henako View Post
    I'm just telling you that no matter how nice you are, or your intention, there's no way to achieve this without sounding like a twat.
    Yep. Even in the example given:
    ""hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
    sounds like an arrogant Dbag without tone. Even if the person this is targeted at did put their turret in the open, it's like a 'no shit sherlock' moment.

    And I can't even say that's sad, because there's really no way to interpret tones online. When you are in a competitive environment, it gets even further skewed towards negative tone reception with no other way to tell. It's just reality of not having a real connection with someone you are partnering with.

    Imagine if all business meetings were conducted with chat programs instead of phones or video conferencing. Dear god we'd have some drama.
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    OP must be either new to video games or new to "other humans".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelimbror View Post
    ""hey, for future reference, try and put your turrets somewhere the enemy team won't be able to see and instantly destroy them"
    sounds like an arrogant Dbag without tone.
    May be without tone but choice of words is still most relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    May be without tone but choice of words is still most relevant.
    Often, yeah. As much as the example I took from that guy claimed it was trying to be nice, the words still seem passive aggressive/sarcastic just from word choice.
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    because the community is stupid. Say anything after a game LOL U SALTY, KYS? KYS? U MAD? I just turn chat off and accept pugs will be full of people who won't play as a team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    "We need a Pharah to counter those two Junkrats!"
    If you want a Pharah, play a Pharah. Asking for a switch is NOT "constructive criticism" it's you blaming other for your team failures.

    I especially aim the retarded "We need a tank" and his bro "We need a healer" guess what ? Play them instead of asking strangers on the net to meet your desires.
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    I really dont have a problem with people not switching during a game or playing the "wrong hero" most of the time.... MOST of the time,

    When I do put a objection in, is when its something really stupid. e.g. the other day I had to escort the payload, and the very first four heroes up were, 2 widowmakers, 1 hanzo and a symnetra. I basically said "please, just no to all those heroes, please change" all four refused so yes, first time in overwatch I told them all to fuck off and go suck a wet donkey cunt as that would be more useful than that comp.

    Being slighty cynical I stayed until the next game when we were defending. Same comp again (although atleast it was better suited for defense than offense) but I went bastion, sat in the prime spot, on 3 seconds to go I went. Oh btw, be more helpful next time, and left the game. Yup it was a dick move, but completely well deserved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regalbeast View Post
    Let's face it, most people have no clue how to play this game. It's a new game so that's understandable. Do I tell them that? No. I try to be nice in game so people don't troll.

    But the reality is that most people aren't actively trying to get better at the game. They play their "favorite" hero and never switch. In fact, hero switching is something that most players really need to accept and work on. When I say, "Hey, I'm a healer so I can't switch but can someone counter that Bastion (or Widow, etc)" most people are like "you switch" or "stfu". Same thing goes with when I'm a support and ask the team to pick a tank, most people start flaming away or trolling.

    Man, I sure do have a love/hate relationship with this game. I'm currently on a 10 game losing streak. I usually have at least 3 gold medals (not trying to toot my own horn) so I'm trying my best and playing well, but it's so frustrating because the game seems to be full of 90% incompetent people.
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