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    For the rabid idiot:

    Being vegan means you live a life that does the least amount of harm possible.

    Choosing to eat meat and or diary, means you don't really give a shit.

    If a person came out and said dog fighting was fucking terrible and inhumane, but then they still bet on dog fighting, then their words would be hollow. As are yours.
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    Your personal choice of eating or not eating meat is of no consequence to the world. Same for betting on dog fights.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Your personal choice of eating or not eating meat is of no consequence to the world. Same for betting on dog fights.
    Well that's not entirely true since animal agriculture is one of the largest causes of environmental destruction and pollution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynnch View Post
    Well that's not entirely true since animal agriculture is one of the largest causes of environmental destruction and pollution
    Which is in no way affected by your personal choices.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Which is in no way affected by your personal choices.
    Individuals are personally choosing to support the industry. The more people that personally choose to stop supporting it, the less demand there is. Do you see where I'm going with this? "I'm just 1 person and I can't change anything" mentality is bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynnch View Post
    it's illegal in most of the west to film what happens inside slaughterhouses. Wanna have a guess as to why? Here's a hint, it's not because the animals are having an amazing life and are dying peacefully in their sleep.
    its pretty obvious to most in society that these animals aren't living a wonderful life, but it is what must be done to sustain the society we have otherwise we all starve to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynnch View Post
    Individuals are personally choosing to support the industry. The more people that personally choose to stop supporting it, the less demand there is. Do you see where I'm going with this? "I'm just 1 person and I can't change anything" mentality is bullshit
    Yeah, you are going into impossible territory, I prefer to stay in the Zone of Possibilities. Your personal choice means nothing. You can eat meat or don't nothing will be changed, everyone will never stop eating meat at the same time, well unless they run out of meat of course.

    Just go ahead and count all vegans. There are millions I guess. Nothing changes. Even if a single country will consists exclusively of vegans - nothing will change. Meat producers in that country will just move elsewhere.
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    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Your personal choice of eating or not eating meat is of no consequence to the world. Same for betting on dog fights.
    Well that's just stupid.

    Lowering demand will lessen the amounts of animals killed for food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Yeah, you are going into impossible territory, I prefer to stay in the Zone of Possibilities. Your personal choice means nothing. You can eat meat or don't nothing will be changed, everyone will never stop eating meat at the same time, well unless they run out of meat of course.

    Just go ahead and count all vegans. There are millions I guess. Nothing changes. Even if a single country will consists exclusively of vegans - nothing will change. Meat producers in that country will just move elsewhere.
    You have no understanding of supply and demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastacy View Post
    Can someone (in detail) explain to me a "humane" process of killing an animal, intended for the purpose of eating?

    Bonus points if you include examples from different animal types (chickens, pigs, cows, etc.).
    In the United States, animals are required to be stunned before they're killed, so they feel no pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastacy View Post
    Can someone (in detail) explain to me a "humane" process of killing an animal, intended for the purpose of eating?

    Bonus points if you include examples from different animal types (chickens, pigs, cows, etc.).
    Pretty simple actually : the least harmefull way possible. Yes we kill animals, but we don't need to make them suffer physically and mentaly. So a painless death (that's why cattle guns are for) and the least stress prior that.

    Just like the death penalty for humans really. You kill them, doesn't mean you have to torture them doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Pretty simple actually : the least harmefull way possible. Yes we kill animals, but we don't need to make them suffer physically and mentaly. So a painless death (that's why cattle guns are for) and the least stress prior that.

    Just like the death penalty for humans really. You kill them, doesn't mean you have to torture them doing so.
    That's not what really happens in the US though.

    The line speeds are too fast to ensure that each cow/pig is properly stunned. Also, there's plenty of stress and torture leading up to and after that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastacy View Post
    Can someone (in detail) explain to me a "humane" process of killing an animal, intended for the purpose of eating?

    Bonus points if you include examples from different animal types (chickens, pigs, cows, etc.).
    Quick and painless. Don't make anyone suffer. Should be over instantaneously. Goes for humans as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussiedude View Post
    That "Cow" looks sickly, I can bet that meat isn't even very good to begin with.
    Also "killed inhumanly" since when is killing at all humane "having or showing compassion or benevolence." unless you put them down with lethal injection and ruin the meat, lol.

    Do you know what a slaughterhouse calls humane killing, high powered pistons mash their heads in, soooooo.......... it's the samething, just they are doing it the cheap way.

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    so what it boils down to is that its too expensive to kill humaneley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokoshne View Post
    so what it boils down to is that its too expensive to kill humaneley.
    It's really not. Some people are simply greedy.
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  16. #216
    Really doesn't make a difference how they get killed to me. They are still being killed in the end. Murder is murder if you think animals have rights anyway.

  17. #217
    I think worse thing happen across the world. I feel like that's for their own country to address.

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    So people are getting triggered because a dude in a third world country didn't kill the cow in a way we like? He's probably going to waste less meat than any of us and feed way more people with a single cow.

  19. #219
    That's just how it goes in the industry, sadly. Can't take much special time with each animal because you have to butcher so many animals every day and 'time is money' ends up taking priority over 'don't be awful to animals'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    There is zero reason to kill them inhumanly, the least we can do is to give them a fast and painless death, but I guess the mother fuckers want to save some money or some other bullshit reason, we can only hope those people get a slow death to.
    Not that I approve of the hammer-to-the-head method, but I suspect it is completely painless. Speaking as someone who has had a concussion, I don't recall anything in the last few seconds before getting knocked out. I suspect the trauma to the brain would preclude the animal from realizing that it just got killed.

    Actually, when I think about it, seems like bleeding it (cutting it's throat) would be exactly as cost effective, and would allow more blood to be drained which you want anyway. That said, slitting it's throat is not instant death and would be more painful. If those are the only two choices, hammer to the head is the more humane choice. So the slaughter house in this case is using the less effective method for the purpose of being as humane as possible. You've also got "bullet to the brain", but seems like that would accomplish the exact same thing as the hammer, but would cost a bullet, whereas the hammer method just costs a little elbow grease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    In the United States, animals are required to be stunned before they're killed, so they feel no pain.
    Just as a quick follow up, "stun" is exactly what the hammer does. As Mosotti was also pointing out, even if the first blow doesn't kill them, they will be stunned and have a concussion, so there would be no cognizant thought to any pain from that point on.
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