Guess Jaina's still a fem-varian then.

[F1reheart]

lol wut? The one guy who fucked up? You mean the entirety of the Horde who went along with the destruction of Theramore (Even if they were unaware of the arcane bomb, they still agreed to march on it) with the one exception of Baine, who actually had a conscience and warned her? Because, you know, no one had the balls to stand up against Garrosh despite apparently, after-the-fact, finding out everybody disagreed with him.

Theramore was a threat to the horde in a time of war. Taking over cities happens in time of war.

[Schattenlied]

All she wanted was to study.

Jaina is the Adam Jensen of the Warcraft Universe.... She never asked for this.

[apepi]

Jaina is not bipolar...this is when you have many different writers and such for the same character. You can kind of see the same thing with Garrosh, see him in BC, then in Wrath, then him in Cata and MoP. In BC and Wrath he was somewhat consistent. Then in Cata it threw everything out of the window. Was he the honorable prick he was in some of the quest chains you thought he was or was he that stupid asshole some of you thought he was, he blows up Theramore.

One of the reasons I began to not like the Warcraft lore is things like this. They really can't keep a character consistent.

[Katie45]

Jaina is not bipolar...this is when you have many different writers and such for the same character. You can kind of see the same thing with Garrosh, see him in BC, then in Wrath, then him in Cata and MoP. In BC and Wrath he was somewhat consistent. Then in Cata it threw everything out of the window. Was he the honorable prick he was in some of the quest chains you thought he was or was he that stupid asshole some of you thought he was, he blows up Theramore.

One of the reasons I began to not like the Warcraft lore is things like this. They really can't keep a character consistent.

Its almost like she lost her home or something.

[TheDestinatus]

Its almost like she lost her home or something.

She let her own father die, nothing mentally stable going on there.

[Mehrunes]

Jaina is the Adam Jensen of the Warcraft Universe.... She never asked for this.

And yet Norwatch (so Jaina's troops) attacked Crossroads before Garrosh invaded Ashenvale.

[apepi]

Its almost like she lost her home or something.

Hasn't she lost two of her homes? Hell maybe even three.

What makes the third one so different?

[Traveler Voltin]

jaina has a case of.
"its okay if i do it but your not allowed to do it."

[TheDestinatus]

Hasn't she lost two of her homes?

Kul Tiras doesn't exist anymore, its invincible.

[Florena]

Sure, nothing proved the Naga were evil in WC3 except the feels, being that it was the first time anyone had seen them the fact the Elves were so eager to take their help just lends to how stupid they are, or rather Kael was. Snake sliters up to you, hey, you know where related!! "yeah, okay buddy, I see the resemblance".

As far as "canon" books go, the book are only canon until something else comes along and as the books have no actual bearing on the game there is no more reason to give them significance, they are a secondary source and are equivalent to saying "the lord of the rings movie is obviously the correct story because it came after the books". Chronicles replaced lore for other books, whatever comes in part 2 will probably do it again and so on and so on. Everyone gets so wet about them, how everything makes sense all of a sudden but its just an endless cycle so you consume more stories and they make more money. Once again, the books don't change the game, so therefore are insignificant.

The blood elves would have been wiped out if they hadn't accepted help from the naga then. Garithos put them in a no win situation.

[Aucald]

Well we devolved into the typical Horde vs. Alliance partisan bickery, anyone have a hook that can bring the debate back out of the muck?

[Florena]

I'm starting to realize that it's not just the warchief position, but the head of the kirin tor's council of six also has the 'defense against the dark arts teacher' syndrome. In Wrath, Rhonin is made leader because...Antonidas was dead and I guess he had fans from the books and they hadn't really fleshed out the other council members I guess, so they brought him on. The in story reason being they wanted his help thinking outside the box. Then he's killed pre MoP, and Jaina takes over, and now Khadgar takes the spot in Legion. Her tenure as head of the council wasn't quite as brief and pointless as Vol'jin's as warchief but it's close.

[Snes]

I hope they make Jaina a boss so we can kill her.

[Aucald]

I'm starting to realize that it's not just the warchief position, but the head of the kirin tor's council of six also has the 'defense against the dark arts teacher' syndrome. In Wrath, Rhonin is made leader because...Antonidas was dead and I guess he had fans from the books and they hadn't really fleshed out the other council members I guess, so they brought him on. The in story reason being they wanted his help thinking outside the box. Then he's killed pre MoP, and Jaina takes over, and now Khadgar takes the spot in Legion. Her tenure as head of the council wasn't quite as brief and pointless as Vol'jin's as warchief but it's close.

Makes me worried for Khadgar as I really like him as a character. Although I sincerely doubt we've seen the last of Greymane's or Sylvanas' ambitions as concerns the primacy of their faction. I don't see either of one of them abandoning the faction conflict even in the face of a full Legion onslaught.

[apepi]

I'm starting to realize that it's not just the warchief position, but the head of the kirin tor's council of six also has the 'defense against the dark arts teacher' syndrome. In Wrath, Rhonin is made leader because...Antonidas was dead and I guess he had fans from the books and they hadn't really fleshed out the other council members I guess, so they brought him on. The in story reason being they wanted his help thinking outside the box. Then he's killed pre MoP, and Jaina takes over, and now Khadgar takes the spot in Legion. Her tenure as head of the council wasn't quite as brief and pointless as Vol'jin's as warchief but it's close.

Before the end, Gamon will have all three of the positions, we will have no more lore characters left!

[TheDestinatus]

The blood elves would have been wiped out if they hadn't accepted help from the naga then. Garithos put them in a no win situation.

No proof of that, they could have marched in the complete opposite direction and made Garithos deal with it. All you have is the story presented, when I did the play through in the game I wasn't dependant on the myrmidons/witches/royal guards for anything but that doesn't prove anything about the purpose of the story. Point being that it was written the way it was, but that doesn't make it logical or the only way it could have gone down. Up until that point the Elves had no issues with anyone but Garithos. Issues with Dalaran because they were focusing their energies elsewhere and not serving Quel'thalas needs first doesn't mean they wouldn't have if they could have. Dalaran had been annihilated by Archimonde prior to Kael's loyalty snap, keep that in mind. Not really much the mages were going to be able to do that they weren't already doing.

[Trassk]

Well we devolved into the typical Horde vs. Alliance partisan bickery, anyone have a hook that can bring the debate back out of the muck?

I tried already but I guess its inevitable threads like this go this way.

[TheDestinatus]

I tried already but I guess its inevitable threads like this go this way.

Shouldn't really come as a surprise, of all characters she the biggest fence sitter. Only makes sense that both sides have an issue with her.

[Combatbutler]

No proof of that, they could have marched in the complete opposite direction and made Garithos deal with it. All you have is the story presented, when I did the play through in the game I wasn't dependant on the myrmidons/witches/royal guards for anything but that doesn't prove anything about the purpose of the story. Point being that it was written the way it was, but that doesn't make it logical or the only way it could have gone down. Up until that point the Elves had no issues with anyone but Garithos. Issues with Dalaran because they were focusing their energies elsewhere and not serving Quel'thalas needs first doesn't mean they wouldn't have if they could have. Dalaran had been annihilated by Archimonde prior to Kael's loyalty snap, keep that in mind. Not really much the mages were going to be able to do that they weren't already doing.

The thing is a single Kirin tor agent would have been enough, a single archmage could have filled the role of Vashj, while they were imprisoned, heck even rhonin, who lived right next to the city, could have snuck in and busted Kael out, who then freed his people and blasted his way out of the dungeons, to escape. With Vashj showing up later helping them escape the city itself.

OT

It was to be expected Jaina's experiences with the horde have of course turned her into someone who assumes the worst the moment something unforeseen happens, so her going rogue and being pissed aren't a surprise really. Hopefully they don't turn her into a raid boss the Alliance needs such characters.

[Zephre]

I like Jaina although not so much these past few years, she's still a decent character overall but the direction they've lead her down is a clusterfuck of terrible writing. I'd like to see the WC3 Jaina back, not the abomination of terrible writing she's become.