Well, it's happening, Trump is starting to lose bad in the polls..

[Ghostpanther]

And again, you avoid actually providing substantive answers that address the issue showing in depth analysis and critical thinking. It'd be more palatable if that wasn't the only thing you ever did and you weren't hypocritical in attempting to call out Hillary supporters for doing the same. Often regardless of whether they actually are or aren't. How about you actually answer the question you claim to have the answer for rather then chidlishly attacking someone else's motives and consequently calling yours into question? Hell even the "I'm not gonna answer because it'd be like talking to a brick wall" approach is more respectable.


Here let me do you. You're paranoid about socialists/communists because you never got no help from nobody and the government never did you any good and any attempt to analyze gun law is a government grab for your weapons and you think that despite us being the only western nation where these types of shootings happen regularly there's nothing that can be done about it and that the plague of more typical gun violence is A-ok. You fail to realize that if Hillary was guilty/capable of even half the scandals the Republicans have drummed up against her she'd be the political equivalent to Emperor Palpatine. Illegal immigrants are bad and despite claiming you're a fiscal conservative Amnesty is evil and we must spend all the monies to deport them! You must be a Trump supporter /anyone but Hillary person .



Trump had a lot going for him in the Primaries and he was able to get his message out without having to spend as much. Those same rules do not apply to the general. He's going to have to spend money to convince people who outright disagree with him/don't already agree with him to vote even if he "has" to spend less and he's done a piss poor job of doing that compared to almost anyone. Did you even notice that you pretty much listed every single option other then not vote or Trump supporter? Odds are yes I'm going to be in it.

What part of my post Or not going to vote for Trump no matter what. did you miss or not understand?

Yeah, you are right. I am not going to vote for Hillary. Or a independent as in Ohio being a swing state my vote will be important in a general election and I am not going to waste my vote for no chance independent to win, which might actually help Hillary to win.

But all that been said, as I have said several times in the past, Trump was not my first pick for a GOP candidate. But I think he is a better pick for the country than Hillary is.

[lolcats121]

trump is a joke, but clinton is a crook.

both options seem horrible TBH.

i agree, both are horrible. but i personally think trump is SLIGHTLY less horrible.

[mvaliz]

trump is a joke, but clinton is a crook.

both options seem horrible TBH.

But she isn't, unless you believe in burning a witch instead of a fair trial

[shimerra]

But being here illegally should be.

Some of those fears are warranted.

If the criteria is having committed a crime is justification for your fears then you should be equally fearful of pretty much everyone in society. As was already stated pretty much everyone without exception unintentionally/intentionally violates quite a few laws. They just don't get caught.



But yes let's be paranoid of someone who crossed the border to find better work for them and their family. I shiver in my boots at the mexican migrant farm worker.

[Felya]

How is that racist? Saying Mexico isn't sending his best is a lie? Do you think Mexican Doctor and Lawyers are the ones entering illegally? I didn't ignore anything it's just you make no damn sense and you can't understand the point I made.

Yes, it is a lie. Mexico does not send anyone. The people who cross the border think America is better than Mexico, they are not nationals being sent from another country to do harm. But, are so in favor of America, to the point they are willing to risk their lives and limb to cross the border. There are very few outside U.S. military that take as many risks to be here, as those who do take the risk of crossing the border. The vast majority do back breaking labor for very little money to stay here. Some might be criminals, but that not something you cannot say about any nationality. Just like every other nationality, rapists, criminals and drugs are outliers. To put it simply, what makes Mexican illegal different than the 40% of illegal immigration who are not Mexican?

If I in anyway thought this was racist I would say it was, I have no love from Trump, I am not voting for him. I just care about honestly, something your biased view does not

You quoted Trump saying Mexico sends these people, which at the very least implies coercion by Mexican government. Mexicans are no different from any other nationality. To say they get sent here and only some are good people, is talking about inferiority of Mexicans. The only way it's not, is if you apply your own bias, to pretend he was only pointing out Mexicans, but thinks Canadian and European illegals are also criminals sent by their governments.

[Ghostpanther]

Not at all. As I said in a post above, people seem to conflate undocumented migrants with cartels. Cartels laugh at border security and Trump's wall. There's too much money in drugs to give up. It's one of the reasons to end the war on drugs. You take away the money from trafficking billions of dollars in drugs and suddenly that crime goes away.

Whether or not you think drugs should be illegal is irrelevant when it comes to practicality: The war on drugs has created more crime than it ever stopped.

I do not agree. I am for medical use of any drug when directed by a doctor. And no, the crime rate actually dropped after we started to punish drug dealers with long prison terms. Meth and Heroin is for sure destroying far too many lives to ever make them legal for personal use. If any thing we should execute the drug pushers for those type of drugs.

[mvaliz]

i do not believe you understand what the word fact means.... here is a link for you http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fact?s=t

Trump Believes the Judge is a good man but may have bias in this ONE case
Trump Believes everybody should be proud of their heritage

you seem to have a real issue maybe some kind of mental illness that makes it impossible for you to tell the difference between Trump saying the Judge may have bias in this "ONE" case...... this has nothing to do with if Trump believes this man can do his job or not

Judges excuse themselves all the time from cases because there is a conflict of interests or may be a bias

Trump is a idiot but he is a good man and clearly not a racist

Ah yes, the classic "I'm no racist, but Let me just say..." Argument

[Cthulhu 2020]

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."


How is that racist? Saying Mexico isn't sending his best is a lie? Do you think Mexican Doctor and Lawyers are the ones entering illegally? I didn't ignore anything it's just you make no damn sense and you can't understand the point I made.

If I in anyway thought this was racist I would say it was, I have no love from Trump, I am not voting for him. I just care about honestly, something your biased view does not

You seem to keep ignoring addressing the part that matters. The part about crime, rapists, drugs, etc. It's almost like you know what he said was racist, you just want to skirt around that part and deflect because you worship the man.

[Ghostpanther]

If the criteria is having committed a crime is justification for your fears then you should be equally fearful of pretty much everyone in society. As was already stated pretty much everyone without exception unintentionally/intentionally violates quite a few laws. They just don't get caught.


But yes let's be paranoid of someone who crossed the border to find better work for them and their family. I shiver in my boots at the mexican migrant farm worker.

They are welcome to come here legally. Useless to have borders and immigration laws if you are not going to enforce them. And turning them loose just across the border and for them to return a bunch of times is not enforcement. :P

[Bollocks]

What part of my post Or not going to vote for Trump no matter what. did you miss or not understand?

Yeah, you are right. I am not going to vote for Hillary. Or a independent as in Ohio being a swing state my vote will be important in a general election and I am not going to waste my vote for no chance independent to win, which might actually help Hillary to win.

But all that been said, as I have said several times in the past, Trump was not my first pick for a GOP candidate. But I think he is a better pick for the country than Hillary is.

No it isn't.

[Sierra85]

But she isn't, unless you believe in burning a witch instead of a fair trial

if you think someone like the clintons who are in bed with the Bilderbergs are capable of having a fair trial... well i don't know what to say.

[Apexis]

These are the same polls that said he was not going to get the nomination, so much for polls. There is still a lot of time between now and November, a lot can change in hours, days and weeks. I said this from the start of this mess. We are one major terrorist attack away from Trump being president and it will happen before the election takes place and Trump will be made president.

I don't even support the man, but I know damn well of what is going on out there that this administration seem to want to keep sweeping under the rug. Hell now they don't even know where the wife of the Orlando shooter is, or are at least reporting they don't, but probably do. I am sure she has received more than her share of death threats and they will get her out of the country, instead of actually make her stand against a court of law for what she allowed her husband to do.

These terrorist are not going to stop until they themselves are confront with overwhelming force and plowed into the ground until there is nothing that remains of them. They only know one thing and that one thing is death.

[Bollocks]

They are welcome to come here legally. Useless to have borders and immigration laws if you are not going to enforce them. And turning them loose just across the border and for them to return a bunch of times is not enforcement. :P

Actually the us would greatly benefit from an open border policy

[Cthulhu 2020]

I do not agree. I am for medical use of any drug when directed by a doctor. And no, the crime rate actually dropped after we started to punish drug dealers with long prison terms. Meth and Heroin is for sure destroying far too many lives to ever make them legal for personal use. If any thing we should execute the drug pushers for those type of drugs.

Went down? What? As pointed out, the majority reason for crime along the border is drug cartels. If drugs suddenly aren't harshly punished, you don't have an illegal market for them, no illegal market stops that crime. Executing people won't stop the crime either. There's ENORMOUS amounts of money to be made and an almost endless supply of people who need money. As long as there is a black market demand, there will be a black market. Countries with almost no drug crime whatsoever send drug addicted people to rehabilitation instead of jail, and the redaction rate is incredibly small.

[Bollocks]

These are the same polls that said he was not going to get the nomination, so much for polls. There is still a lot of time between now and November, a lot can change in hours, days and weeks. I said this from the start of this mess. We are one major terrorist attack away from Trump being president and it will happen before the election takes place and Trump will be made president.

I don't even support the man, but I know damn well of what is going on out there that this administration seem to want to keep sweeping under the rug. Hell now they don't even know where the wife of the Orlando shooter is, or are at least reporting they don't, but probably do. I am sure she has received more than her share of death threats and they will get her out of the country, instead of actually make her stand against a court of law for what she allowed her husband to do.

These terrorist are not going to stop until they themselves are confront with overwhelming force and plowed into the ground until there is nothing that remains of them. They only know one thing and that one thing is death.

The polls showed him having an advantage over his competition. It was just people refusing to admit it

[Cthulhu 2020]

They are welcome to come here legally. Useless to have borders and immigration laws if you are not going to enforce them. And turning them loose just across the border and for them to return a bunch of times is not enforcement. :P

About half of the ones here illegally came over on legal 5 year visas and their visa expired while waiting to hear back from immigration. Republicans (including yourself) have said in the past our immigration system is working as intended and does not need to be fixed, like the Democrats want to do. How is it working as intended if they don't hear a yes or a no after 5 years?

[shimerra]

What part of my post Or not going to vote for Trump no matter what. did you miss or not understand?

Yeah, you are right. I am not going to vote for Hillary. Or a independent as in Ohio being a swing state my vote will be important in a general election and I am not going to waste my vote for no chance independent to win, which might actually help Hillary to win.

But all that been said, as I have said several times in the past, Trump was not my first pick for a GOP candidate. But I think he is a better pick for the country than Hillary is.

I understood it. My point was you pretty much listed every conceivable option except for vote for trump or not vote and lumped it together. You apparently didn't understand that OF COURSE I'm going to fall into that category of people unless you think I'm going to vote for trump because you literally listed every other option and grouped them together except for one which was not vote at all. When you say let me guess and then you guess every other option what exactly do either of us get out of it?

I'm aware you think he's better than Hillary, as ridiculous as that is. I never questioned that and my long ramble as much as I feel it true was more of a mocking of the absurd way in which you argue. Answer the original question about Trumps Policy position and why they're better then Hillary. Vapid statements like he's pro second amendment are nice and all but where's the meat?


To me he's an even shittier conservative then Hillary and the only thing he actually has going for him is anti-government rhetoric(which is largely a lie given his past interactions with government something I thought Hillary-detractors didn't like) and an irrational approach to handling Illegal immigration. There's quite a few Republican candidates I might not have agreed with or necessarily supported and even a couple I could have supported but I'd be okay/tolerate the presidency even if i felt someone else out there was better. Trump was about as awful as we could have gotten.

They are welcome to come here legally. Useless to have borders and immigration laws if you are not going to enforce them. And turning them loose just across the border and for them to return a bunch of times is not enforcement. :P

And again you avoid dealing with the actual scenario posed. Why are your fears of illegal immigrants justified when you are not also fearful of your every day American who also has committed a crime in their life? And as Batman said a huge portion of the illegal immigration population are simply people who overstayed their legal entry. So they already did. An idiotic wall like Trump wants to build doesn't do anything to stop them.

It's also useless to cut off your nose to spite your face, which is the equivalent to a lot of the policy's I've seen you support to deal with the illegal immigration problem even over the vastly more sensible ones(that still ignore the benefit we get from a cheap migrant work force).

[Ghostpanther]

Went down? What? As pointed out, the majority reason for crime along the border is drug cartels. If drugs suddenly aren't harshly punished, you don't have an illegal market for them, no illegal market stops that crime. Executing people won't stop the crime either. There's ENORMOUS amounts of money to be made and an almost endless supply of people who need money. As long as there is a black market demand, there will be a black market. Countries with almost no drug crime whatsoever send drug addicted people to rehabilitation instead of jail, and the redaction rate is incredibly small.

I am all for that. My point of punishment was for the drug pushers. Not the users. And I think once the drug pushers find out they die if caught pushing such drugs, they will think twice. Look at the countries which do have the death penalty or very long prison terms for drug pushers.

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I understood it. My point was you pretty much listed every conceivable option except for vote for trump or not vote and lumped it together. You apparently didn't understand that OF COURSE I'm going to fall into that category of people unless you think I'm going to vote for trump because you literally listed every other option and grouped them together except for one which was not vote at all. When you say let me guess and then you literally guess every other option what exactly do either of us get out of it?

I'm aware you think he's better than Hillary, as ridiculous as that is. I never questioned that and my long ramble as much as I feel it true was more of a mocking of the absurd way in which you argue. Answer the original question about Trumps Policy position and why they're better then Hillary. Vapid statements like he's pro second amendment are nice and all but where's the meat?


To me he's an even shittier conservative then Hillary and the only thing he actually has going for him is anti-government rhetoric(which is largely a lie given his past interactions with government something I thought Hillary-detractors didn't like) and an irrational approach to handling Illegal immigration. There's quite a few Republican candidates I might not have agreed with or necessarily supported but I'd be okay/tolerate the presidency even if i felt someone else out there was better. Trump was about as awful as we could have gotten.

There was no misunderstanding on my part with that.

[zenkai]

You seem to keep ignoring addressing the part that matters. The part about crime, rapists, drugs, etc. It's almost like you know what he said was racist, you just want to skirt around that part and deflect because you worship the man.

I didn't ignore anything, you just fail to acknowledge facts. IS he saying it about Mexican who enter the country Legally? NO, it's about a class of people doing something illegal regardless of their race. If Trump was Mexican I am pretty damn sure he would say the same thing. If we bordered Ireland and the exact same shit was happening he would probably say the same thing.

Choose to be naive on the subject, nothing will change your mind. If Hillary said it I but this wouldn't even be an issue for you. You don't understand what racism is , I suggest you stop using that word until you understand it.

[Ghostpanther]

About half of the ones here illegally came over on legal 5 year visas and their visa expired while waiting to hear back from immigration. Republicans (including yourself) have said in the past our immigration system is working as intended and does not need to be fixed, like the Democrats want to do. How is it working as intended if they don't hear a yes or a no after 5 years?

I am not a Republican. As I have said in the past. And when did I say the immigration law was working as intended? Maybe in terms of if they were enforced they would be.