Well, it's happening, Trump is starting to lose bad in the polls..

[mvaliz]

You seem to keep ignoring addressing the part that matters. The part about crime, rapists, drugs, etc. It's almost like you know what he said was racist, you just want to skirt around that part and deflect because you worship the man.

Also, what is with the conspiracy theory that the Mexican government is"sending" them??

[Bollocks]

I didn't ignore anything, you just fail to acknowledge facts. IS he saying it about Mexican who enter the country Legally? NO, it's about a class of people doing something illegal regardless of their race. If Trump was Mexican I am pretty damn sure he would say the same thing. If we bordered Ireland and the exact same shit was happening he would probably say the same thing.

Choose to be naive on the subject, nothing will change your mind. If Hillary said it I but this wouldn't even be an issue for you. You don't understand what racism is , I suggest you stop using that word until you understand it.

He is in fact waging a racist campaign against illegal mexicans only and Muslims. I mean c'Mon he even suggested racial profiling

[alexw]

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."


How is that racist? Saying Mexico isn't sending his best is a lie? Do you think Mexican Doctor and Lawyers are the ones entering illegally? I didn't ignore anything it's just you make no damn sense and you can't understand the point I made.

If I in anyway thought this was racist I would say it was, I have no love from Trump, I am not voting for him. I just care about honestly, something your biased view does not

Are most Mexican illegal immigrants rapists or committing crimes when in the US (burglary, rape, car jacking, etc) as Trump is saying they do. Yes or no?

And yes you are ignoring my post just as you have done here.

[Meldetia]

Yeah, politics is as frustrating as it is surreal.

Cut off your left leg, or cut off your right leg? You have to choose one.

Then you can come to forums like these, listening to people explain why cutting off your left leg is fucking retarded and only people who know how the world truly is would make the rational choice and cut off their right leg.

That was awesome - thank you for the laugh.

[shimerra]

There was no misunderstanding on my part with that.

Then you misunderstood how stupid it was to point that out/pointless/that it did nothing to further your argument or the discussion. You claim Trump is better then the alternative and were asked to justify that claim. You have failed to do so in all but the most horribly vague talking points. My relative voting predilections are irrelevant to your inability to justify/elaborate with anything more substantive then "not Hillary" or "pro second!".

[zenkai]

He is in fact waging a racist campaign against illegal mexicans only and Muslims. I mean c'Mon he even suggested racial profiling

1. Because illegal imgrants from Mexico is a huge problem, the numbers tripled since 1990
2. I don't agree with Trump on Muslims, but Muslims is not a race, a fact that seems majority of people can't get through their head.

[Ghostpanther]

Also, what is with the conspiracy theory that the Mexican government is"sending" them??

I do not think that is the correct term. Letting them or creating conditions to encourage them to leave would be more accurate. So Trump is wrong to use that term.

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1. Because illegal imgrants from Mexico is a huge problem, the numbers tripled since 1990
2. I don't agree with Trump on Muslims, but Muslims is not a race, a fact that seems majority of people can't get through their head.

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Using the term Racist! has a stronger impact then using the word prejudiced.

[zenkai]

Are most Mexican illegal immigrants rapists or committing crimes when in the US (burglary, rape, car jacking, etc) as Trump is saying they do. Yes or no?

And yes you are ignoring my post just as you have done here.

That can't be proven or dis proven as it is not tracked properly. Here is what you guys can't understand. Saying a group of people, doing a certain thing is likely criminals is way different than saying all people are inherently doing something because of their race. If you can't figure that out then there is no reason to continue this conversation because it makes too much sense to disagree with.

[Bollocks]

1. Because illegal imgrants from Mexico is a huge problem, the numbers tripled since 1990
2. I don't agree with Trump on Muslims, but Muslims is not a race, a fact that seems majority of people can't get through their head.

Religions and nationality apply to the UN definition of racism
http://www.hrcr.org/docs/CERD/cerd3.html

any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin

2 illegals are not that much of a problem in the USA and their numbels are decreasing.

I made a post a long time ago about let me look for it(found it)


I think the majority of the literature in economics is showing immigrants, including those with the lowest skills/are illegal, tend to increase wages. This is because they shift outwards demand more by providing labor/services natives lack, hence why immigrants tend to have skill sets at the top or bottom.
It is also true that immigrants have a negative effect, because by increasing the supply of labor, the may decrease labor prices overall, thus resulting for lower pay for natives. This is especially alarming, as most immigrants (including those who are illegal) tend to have low skills, and thus drag downwards the pay of similarly unskilled natives, who are arguably those most in need of greater pay.

I think though that the most recent papers tend to show that the benefits outweights the negatives.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf

http://www.hamiltonproject.org/files...migration3.pdf

And most economists tend to agree that low skilled immigration does have a positive effect in the economy.
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-econom...vuNnqkBeAMAfHv

Some recent papers even argue that with open borders that global poeverty would be obliterated
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~jkennan/res...penBorders.pdf

As for the crime, illegal immigrants tend to commit 1/5 of crimes than natives:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf

And the immigration process is screwed I'd you want to enter into the USA.

http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content...lon-Reason.jpg

Now even if the wages were to drop Borjas, the most pessimistic economist here doesn't even find this effect to be greater than about 5%.
https://cmuinsider.com/2016/02/22/an...-donald-trump/
Those can be overcomed with a net safety program or through a small tax to the immigrants.

Uff that took me a while.
EDIT updating links
Conclusion: Low skilled immigrants do benefit the US and you are wrong

[Pangean]

you seem to be getting a single case mixed up with a judge not being able to do his job at all

your SJW logic is all over the place there kid

you are getting not being PC mixed up with Racism i really do feel sorry that your mind has been infected and you are unable to think without bias

Donald Trump believes you should be proud of who you are and where you have come from
Donald Trump believes everyone should be proud of this its easy to see why Donald Trump thinks the Judge could be bias in this one case

also if the Judge sides with Donald Trump he may also be attacked by people who are proud to be Mexican the same way Black Donald Trump supporters are attacked by other black people

you have a problem i am very sorry watch this video it is a example of what will happen to the Judge if he supports Donald Trump
SJW's will not allow people to have a individual choice

I am not getting anything mixed up. I simply posted the comments of two republicans who think Trump's comments were racist in response you your question. I guess they are SJW? Anyway you have now claimed the Judge wasn't doing his job at all. Be specific and identify how he has not done his job. Point out the specific ruling he has made in this case that are incorrect.

[Grogo]

Ok, this thread is approaching 70 pages long. Is there anyone posting in this thread that has had their minds changed in who they are voting for? Right. The main thing you should all remember is this: You are all Americans and in the end...on the same team. As a Canadian may I just add these comments if you do not mind?

Your enemies do not care if they kill Republicans or Democrats, you are all one and the same.

Both Candidates are not that great but there is a clear choice.

Trump is correct in saying Muslims are not a race (because indeed they are not) but Trump does have race issues on other matters. Islam has many issues of intolerance riddled through out the world. The civilized world needs to come together and not embrace Islam but rather put forth and stand by their own morals and values. Islam then needs to join that.

Clinton is not a crook no matter how much Trump keeps saying.

Both camps will jiggle the truth on each other.

Americans already have their minds made up, even the Independents who say they havent decided yet (they are bullshitting)

Trump does not have the financial backing and Clinton does. Obama and Romney spent a billion each last election. Trump is not going to spend his own money.

The important prize will be the Supreme Court nominations from the winner.

[Noxx79]

I am not getting anything mixed up. I simply posted the comments of two republicans who think Trump's comments were racist in response you your question. I guess they are SJW? Anyway you have now claimed the Judge wasn't doing his job at all. Be specific and identify how he has not done his job. Point out the specific ruling he has made in this case that are incorrect.

Daish has to look under his bed and look in his closet every night for the mobs of SJW that are more powerful than the republican presidential candidate. He's got this fear of them, and if he's not careful, they're going to drag him outside his house and yell at him. A fate worse than death apparently.

[zenkai]

Religions and nationality apply to the UN definition of racism
http://www.hrcr.org/docs/CERD/cerd3.html

any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin

2 illegals are not that much of a problem in the USA and their numbels are decreasing.

I made a post a long time ago about let me look for it

That's called prejudice not racism.

Hate Americans? Racist!
Hate Christians? Racist

What a dumb fucking website

[alexw]

But being here illegally should be.

Some of those fears are warranted.

Ah xenophobia. I did wonder why you supported Trump. Now its clear. All the rest of the stuff you post is a smoke screen.

[Felya]

I didn't ignore anything, you just fail to acknowledge facts. IS he saying it about Mexican who enter the country Legally? NO, it's about a class of people doing something illegal regardless of their race. If Trump was Mexican I am pretty damn sure he would say the same thing. If we bordered Ireland and the exact same shit was happening he would probably say the same thing.

No, it's not about those entering the country illegally, but specifically Mexicans. To the point he claimed they are sent here. His commentary does not tackle all illegal immigration, like focusing on employment or the reason they come here. It's not because they are sent here, but because they see America as better oportunity than US.

Oh and U.S. did do it to the Irish and with hindsight being 20/20, it's never seen as a good thing.

Choose to be naive on the subject, nothing will change your mind. If Hillary said it I but this wouldn't even be an issue for you. You don't understand what racism is , I suggest you stop using that word until you understand it.

Bullshit... Hilary gets shit for being against gay marriage, even after she backed off the statement. Unlike Trump with Ted Cruz showing a video of Trump being pro-choice, neither Hilary or her supporters threatened law suits or proposed liable laws changes as a result, like Trump did and his supporters agree with.

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That's called prejudice not racism.

Hate Americans? Racist!
Hate Christians? Racist

What a dumb fucking website

Now the argument is semantics? You honestly don't understand what people mean when they say racist, because Mexicans are not a race? You do realize that either racist or prejudiced against, doesn't actually change the inflammatory nature of what Trump said, just what it's called?

[Bollocks]

That's called prejudice not racism.

Hate Americans? Racist!
Hate Christians? Racist

What a dumb fucking website

It's the human declaration of rights and it's backed up by the United nations.

[Sierra85]

1. Because illegal imgrants from Mexico is a huge problem, the numbers tripled since 1990

the numbers have gone down in recent years. there was actually a decrease in 2015. No new ones came over, and some went back to mexico. cause it was so crappy.

[Ghostpanther]

Ok, this thread is approaching 70 pages long. Is there anyone posting in this thread that has had their minds changed in who they are voting for? Right. The main thing you should all remember is this: You are all Americans and in the end...on the same team. As a Canadian may I just add these comments if you do not mind?

Your enemies do not care if they kill Republicans or Democrats, you are all one and the same.

Both Candidates are not that great but there is a clear choice.

Trump is correct in saying Muslims are not a race (because indeed they are not) but Trump does have race issues on other matters. Islam has many issues of intolerance riddled through out the world. The civilized world needs to come together and not embrace Islam but rather put forth and stand by their own morals and values. Islam then needs to join that.

Clinton is not a crook no matter how much Trump keeps saying.

Both camps will jiggle the truth on each other.

Americans already have their minds made up, even the Independents who say they havent decided yet (they are bullshitting)

Trump does not have the financial backing and Clinton does. Obama and Romney spent a billion each last election. Trump is not going to spend his own money.

The important prize will be the Supreme Court nominations from the winner.

True.

True.

In what way is he a racist toward a race of people? Comments about some women? There are been many women who have spoken out how well he has treated them. Profiling as done for detective reasons for resolving a crime? Common sense to use what ever tools you can which are legal and can help solve the crime.

False. She is a crook.

True.

False. About 22 % of American voters have not made up their minds.

True and False. He has spent some of his own money. Granted with measures taken to get some back which is only common sense business practices.

True.

Thanks for your input.

[zenkai]

No, it's not about those entering the country illegally, but specifically Mexicans. To the point he claimed they are sent here. His commentary does not tackle all illegal immigration, like focusing on employment or the reason they come here. It's not because they are sent here, but because they see America as better oportunity than US.

Oh and U.S. did do it to the Irish and with hindsight being 20/20, it's never seen as a good thing.

No he is attacking illegals from Mexico because cities along the boarders crime rate has exploded. People who here illegally by other means such as expired visas are not making those towns crime rate shoot up

Bullshit... Hilary gets shit for being against gay marriage, even after she backed off the statement. Unlike Trump with Ted Cruz showing a video of Trump being pro-choice, neither Hilary or her supporters threatened law suits or proposed liable laws changes as a result, like Trump did and his supporters agree with.

You totally missed the point I see. Here is the point further explained.

If Hillary did something that pissed you off you wouldn't say shit but if Trump did the exact same thing you would have pitchforks and files because you Republicans and Democrats are biased hypocrites. You don't care about the truth, you only care about what makes your side look good. Zealots

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the numbers have gone down in recent years. there was actually a decrease in 2015. No new ones came over, and some went back to mexico. cause it was so crappy.

Like that Southpark Episode? LOL

[Grogo]

False. About 22 % of American voters have not made up their minds.

Yes that is what they say. I do not believe that. Not for a minute.