About Tyrande builds.

[DesoPL]

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/guide...mie-patch-4266

I used for two times and won two rankeds using main build support/utility. Any thoughts about it?

LVL 1.

Celestial Attunement

LVL 4.

Protective Shield

LVL 7.

Battle Momentum

LVL 10.

Starfall

LVL 13.

Shrink Ray

LVL 16.

Trueshot Aura

LVL 20.

Nexus Frenzy / Storm Shield

Any thoughts? Since personally i used Storm Shield mostly instead of Nexus Frenzy.

[Muis]

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#rtbp

This is the build I use most the time when I'm with a duo supp.

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#rw23

Changing level 7 to LM gives you more healing output if you go solo supp

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#kHm3

This is the build I use for BoE as solo support (or atleast get Hunters Mark at 1 regardless of your spec at BoE)

And if you get some good AOE (KT + ETC or whatever) in your team, take Starfall.

[Deleted]

This is the build I use when going solo support, it works, I also do some damage but I'm mostly healer, and at level 20 I have several cooldowns to save my team if needed:
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#lQyA

This is the build I use when I go for damage or off-healer damage:
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#pdmr

Now, on to your build. Mana rarely seems to be a problem if you want to be the healer, and if it is, it's mostly after long drawn team battles I saw. So I'm not sure Celestial attunement is such a great choice for level 1.
Protective shield is a good choice for level 4, it's what I use when I don't get the Healing Ward but I've become good at placing the ward in places where it's not randomly hit by enemies but where it can still heal. Still, protective shield is a really good choice.

Now we get to level 10... originally from your level 1 talent I thought you were making a sort of mostly heal build, but now I see that's not the case. Now, while you could off-heal with that, again, mana shouldn't be such a great issue for most part, so why waste the level 1 talent on Celestial attunement when you can instead get Ranger's Mark if you want to be support/utility so that everyone in your team can do more damage?

You're trying to make a hybrid healer/damage Tyrande. That no longer works as well from what I saw. I've seen quite a few Tyrande players using some similar builds trying to both do damage and healing. Such a build has the advantage that until level 10 it's nice, you do good damage but after that you start to fall on both damage and healing making you both a bad damage dealer and a bad support. Sure, you might do more damage then the enemy healer, but your healing would be way behind their output by several tens of thousands. Alternatively, you'll do more healing than their assassins and specialists, but your damage will still be tens of thousands behind most of the team's damage dealers.
Still if you use it in Quick or unranked and it goes well for you, go for it. In Ranked it won't go as well though unless your other teammembers are great.

[Deleted]

For a solo heal

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talen...r/tyrande#rv-_

In teamfight the Sentinel + auto attack will both reduce the coodown of your heal, if you hit 2 enemies you can almost reset the cooldown instantly (double effect with rewind).

T7 Lunar Blaze may be good to snipe nova or chromie

T16 is versatile

1) if a lot of AA allies
2) For regen on boss or boss event like BoE (reduce mana consumption ), or for yourself on multi-lane map (dragon shrine)
3) Ranger is good overall.




Build DPS auto attack

T4 Focused Attack is better than searing arrows, overall. It will scale with seasoned marksman, huntress fury and Nexus frenzy and save some mana.


But Most of the time, even for my dps build, my core choices is

T1 Empower
T4 Pierce
T7 Lunar momentum
T13 Overflowing Light


Shield T4 isn't worth, 15 % of hp is pure joke.

Healing ward may be good, besides been destroy instantly, randomly, but in solo queue bad team mates not knowing they should stay in the Aoe, is also the reason why you don't want to take it.

[Ryme]

Beautifully written guide, I haven't played Tyrande is months so perhaps I'm out of date but I generally go a mix CD reduction with healer talents on top. God I really want play her again now.

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MYI just used that build, plus the heroic upgrade to great success in the Summer Regionals.

[Amerrol]

Owl build is trash. Everytime i get a tyrande going owl build i lose. Battle momentum doesnt even affect the heroic anymore. Just go full heal/support or full damage. Stop with the shit owl builds because you see pros run it.

[DesoPL]

I tried for once owl build, and i regret is badly. I prefer use build i posted in first post.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Owl build is trash. Everytime i get a tyrande going owl build i lose. Battle momentum doesnt even affect the heroic anymore. Just go full heal/support or full damage. Stop with the shit owl builds because you see pros run it.

you remind me of some shitty rexxar player I had in a game today when I was solo healing on Tyrande - told me not to go the owl build, then muted all of us when he saw I was going to use the owl build and announced he was going to be afk in his lane leaving us 4v5 because "owl build is shit"

he then unmuted all of us and started playing again once we eventually hit lvl 10 and started winning 4v5 without him - guess he decided he wanted the free win more then sticking to his "owl build is shit I refuse to play with someone using it" principles

tldr - there is a reason the owl build with either the damage or the healing ulti has a 10%+ higher winrate then any other tyrande build

[Deleted]

Owl build is trash. Everytime i get a tyrande going owl build i lose.

Explain me how can you heal as much as an instant cooldown recovery ?

Most of your Tyrande are damage builders, not healers.

[Ryme]

Owl build also objectively more fun.*

*this might not be objectively true

[Amerrol]

you remind me of some shitty rexxar player I had in a game today when I was solo healing on Tyrande - told me not to go the owl build, then muted all of us when he saw I was going to use the owl build and announced he was going to be afk in his lane leaving us 4v5 because "owl build is shit"

he then unmuted all of us and started playing again once we eventually hit lvl 10 and started winning 4v5 without him - guess he decided he wanted the free win more then sticking to his "owl build is shit I refuse to play with someone using it" principles

tldr - there is a reason the owl build with either the damage or the healing ulti has a 10%+ higher winrate then any other tyrande build

Not sure where you're pulling bs numbers like 10% from. Unfortunately, hotslogs has been messed up for a while, so the only build it's currently showing is the owl build, which is sitting at almost 56%. Considering her overall is 51%, that's hardly 10%, and most top build win rates for heroes hover in the 60% range anyway. Either way, the last time hotslogs was showing more then one build, owl build was significantly behind, despite being the most popular.

Without hard numbers, I'm just going to go based on my own anecdotal evidence that owl build is shit, because it is. Whatever though, if you can make owl build work for you that's fine, it's just not a good general build for every situation. More of a double support if you don't want to go full dps.

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Explain me how can you heal as much as an instant cooldown recovery ?

Most of your Tyrande are damage builders, not healers.

No, they think they're healing with a shitty build that isn't designed to be a solo healer, and in the end they don't do much of anything. Tyrande's strength isn't in her heals (ultimate excluded). Tossing out more shitty heals at the expense of other utility talents you could be taking is asinine. She's also a pretty mana intensive hero, so going oom in two seconds isn't helping much.

It was a stronger build before the BM changes. Now it's pointless unless you get off on the occasional irrelevant snipe.

[Dizzeeyooo]

the only build it's currently showing is the owl build, which is sitting at almost 56%. Considering her overall is 51%, that's hardly 10%, and most top build win rates for heroes hover in the 60% range anyway

filter based on diamond/masters

[Deleted]

Tossing out more shitty heals at the expense of other utility talents you could be taking is asinine. She's also a pretty mana intensive hero, so going oom in two seconds isn't helping much.

Care to explain why T1, T2 talents are superior to the owl choice ?

It's not because you can launch owl that you MUST. Imho, it's just usefull in case of BURST damage from the opposite team, that's why i like to get some instant cooldown recovery.

You say "shitty heals" so you don't see her as a capable solo healer, in the first place, and that's the problem here.