They have though 50, to 60, to 70 Euro's the past 5 years. There was a day where console prices were 25% on top of PC games, right now were seeing games that match them. Fallout 4 was and is not worth 70, which is why I didn't buy the game fully priced. In fact, for months, I decided not to give the developers any money at all and pirated the thing. It was broken, it wasn't even a very good RPG and had lots of lazy cliches. At some point DLC started arriving and I bit the bullet on G2A (through Kinguin).
And apart from that, Developers started getting lazy with day1 DLC all-over the place. They have started opening shops in premium paid games. They have started increasing DLC prices to squeeze the juice out of every single game and last but not least, season passes.
Did I mention that subjectively speaking, the quality control of games has plummeted again? I'm aware someone will grab a few examples from pre-2K (year), but we've had a few golden years, in which developers actually cared about the content they produced. Right now, most premium games are Transformers movies. Lots of explosions, a huge budget, it looks fantastic, but it has no mass.
In hindsight, I should've gotten DOOM on Steam. It's fantastic and should be bought properly. That however, is not the case for most games. The ANNO series has fallen out of Grace this year, HOMM has been dead at least the last 2 versions of it, there was a time when Far Cry was an experience, rather than an MMO simulator and these are all games that go or went for AAA prices.
So basically now you're playing the "I'm entitled to play it, but it's not worth the asking price" card.
Video was linked already in this thread, but going to do it again.
The fact people can look at the evidence presented right at their face and still try to defend this sham just makes it more apparent you should never put faith in the human race.
I've always been and will always be the kind of person that says; If I wouldn't have bought it regardless, I'm not taking your money by pirating. This goes for music, games and movies. I see maybe 4 movies a year in the theatre, completely independent of whether I can pirate them or not. I only go see what I want to go see.
For some this is morally questionable. Fine by me, I'm honest about it, since I don't lie (by which I mean the definition of don't). That's my moral compass. People that lie can't be trusted. People that do shady things, but can't be arsed to lie about it, I like those a lot more.
Edit: Entitlement suggests I would be offended if my right to play something would get violated. I don't get offended. I don't feel entitled. I just don't care. If I'm not going to buy your game, I'll pirate it (assuming I have time, I haven't pirated games for years, besides FO4) and if I can't pirate it, I still won't buy it.
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And I agree. But with this you are taking there money.
Charge backs are not cheap and in the end can cost more then the money they lost. This has a bigger negtive effect on company's then pirating. Because like I have said before you can't prove pirating is a loss sell. This on the otherhand is a loss sell on top of losing more due to charge backs and credit getting hurt.
A few pages back I linked what a charge back can do to a consumer and a company.
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By the assumption that G2A, or reselling in general, is a practice that is fuelled mostly by illegal sales. As long as I've not seen definitive proof of that, or as long as the practice is not being banned by law or otherwise, there is no reason to assume that everything I buy through a reseller is automatically illegally obtained. Which brings us back at the original argument.
Its not going to get banned because its hosted out of Hong Kong. The only way to stop it is to region lock keys.
Also I have given you proof that it happens on there. Really don't know what you want more then what has been provided. There is tons of proof and its been provided.
You ignoring it isn't my issue.
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I also have proof that some person used a car to kill another person. Does that mean all car drivers are murderers?
All the evidence right now only proves that G2A places the responsibility of proving that keys are stolen, with the publisher/developer. The origin of their middlemen is apparently irrelevant to them. Since G2A can claim independency (and making a profit margin of 30% is hardly uncommon business practice, it's not like products from a general store don't get made for 10% of the price you're paying) they're not actually doing anything illegal. The way I see it, the problem lies with the CC fraud.
Even the several YT channels are stuck with; the 2 examples mentioned that have come out and said their keys were stolen ánd; including in their statement that a portion of G2A (or resellers in general) are keys from regions where prices are lower in general. The last part isn't illegal and is simply an effect of global trading.
I will support proof of illegal activity by G2A, but so far, they may be grey, but there is no proof that G2A knowingly sells stolen keys.
Yet we can prove most car drivers are not by simple statistics.
You can't name one publisher claiming any of their keys on G2A where legitimately sold to be placed on there. You can name multiple examples of publishers and even verified re sellers getting keys bought it bulks of thousands with fraudulent charges.
Fail comparison is fail.
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Actually it is.
Selling digital goods meant for a specific region to regions outside of that violates multiples upon multiples of countries trade laws. Your lack of knowledge is staggering, and the fact you proceed to still comment with said lack of knowledge is even more staggering.
Yes you are completely ignoring the fact that the party that claims illegitimacy is also a stakeholder here. Stakeholders are very independent and objective.
Show me some of those multiples for the EU please, I'm very interested.
Also; Accuses of lack of knowledge; Compares independent statistic to stakeholder claims.
Last edited by Vespian; 2016-06-23 at 09:55 PM.
I'm not about drop $60 on some unoptimized piece of shit and then another $30-60 on DLC. I only lost $30 on Arkham Knight thanks to G2A instead of $60. Get on Blizzard's level if you want people to pay full price for your games.
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Or, you would wait until the game launches to see what kind of state it's in performance wise and decide whether or not you want to spend any money on it from there.
You know, an ounce of responsibility on the consumer end of things.
Heh, I was totally going to say this : P