[Beta] Havoc Discussion

[Unkhrahuun the Atoned]

Fel Eruption damage against immune targets still not fixed? Bummer.

[ChakanDH]

Fel Eruption damage against immune targets still not fixed? Bummer.

Nah, not yet. Will be nice when it is though, even at my horrible ilevel it would still result in a 800k+ crit

[Unkhrahuun the Atoned]

Nah, not yet. Will be nice when it is though, even at my horrible ilevel it would still result in a 800k+ crit

So on it's own without the immunity bonus damage it deals about 200k non crit? That's not a bad number. I'd almost rather they have some form of CD reduction if you hit a stun immune target than just a straight up damage increase. Would give you something to press more often

[ChakanDH]

So on it's own without the immunity bonus damage it deals about 200k non crit? That's not a bad number. I'd almost rather they have some form of CD reduction if you hit a stun immune target than just a straight up damage increase. Would give you something to press more often

Depending on what the numbers end up looking like, I personally would rather they reduced the CD of it rather than buffing the numbers(if it does prove to be too weak as is), on top of removing it from the GCD. I find great pleasure in VR'ing back from a mob and hitting it with FErupt, then felrushing back in - having it off the GCD would make this even smoother, and if you could do it every 15 - 20 secs rather than 35 secs it would go a long way in supporting that style of play.

[BurningBurns]

Uhm... You guys see what I see?.. I'm scared..

[Vanyali]

For some context to that post:

"
Demon Blades Your auto attacks have a 50% 75% chance to deal additional Shadow damage and generate Fury. Havoc Demon Hunter - Level 100 Talent."

Overwhelming Power changed souls to lesser souls as well, indirectly nerfing Feast on the Souls.

Minor build

[Jekuto]

Why do they keep trying to shove this Demon Blades talent down our throats? -_- It promotes really boring gameplay.

[Julian5]

Blade Dance also gives 4 seconds of 100% dodge now instead of just one.

Blade Dance Strike all nearby enemies for (100% + 2 * 277 to 323% + 277 to 323%) Physical damage, and increase your chance to dodge by 100% for 4 sec.

[TheLimonTree]

Why do they keep trying to shove this Demon Blades talent down our throats? -_- It promotes really boring gameplay.

Have you tried it?

[Perovano]

Blade dance with 4 seconds dodge? WAT!? Where did you see it?

It would fix some of the PvP survivability problems.

[Jekuto]

Have you tried it?

I've tried every talent for DH, both for Havoc and Vengeance and DB is by far one of the worst.

[RedGamer030]

Here it is, the only change.

Demon Hunter (Forums, Talent Calculator, PvP Talent Calculator, Artifact Calculator)
Talents
Demon Blades Your auto attacks have a 50% 75% chance to deal additional Shadow damage and generate Fury. Havoc Demon Hunter - Level 100 Talent.

[Vanyali]

Blade dance with 4 seconds dodge? WAT!? Where did you see it?

It would fix some of the PvP survivability problems.

It absolutely will not.

Our problems lie in being sitting ducks while snared and no defensives while stunned. 4s of dodge does zero to help either of those things.

[TheLimonTree]

I've tried every talent for DH, both for Havoc and Vengeance and DB is by far one of the worst.

Ok, I just have to check because there are too many people who just copy and paste what others say with no context. If you don't care for it, that's fine that's your opinion. Personally I enjoy it because it spikes your fury up so quick you have very little down time between dumps, and have never found that having a button just for the sake of having a button a good idea.

[Forde]

Even with First Blood, is using Blade Dance on single target fights even worth it? It doesn't, under any circumstance, do more damage than Chaos Strike, nor does Death Sweep do more damage than Annihilation, so I don't see how it is in a good spot. Does anyone have data saying otherwise?

[Donovan4893]

Blade Dance also gives 4 seconds of 100% dodge now instead of just one.

Blade Dance Strike all nearby enemies for (100% + 2 * 277 to 323% + 277 to 323%) Physical damage, and increase your chance to dodge by 100% for 4 sec.

Idk where you saw that but, that doesn't happen in the beta.

[Vanyali]

Idk where you saw that but, that doesn't happen in the beta.

Confirmed, it is absolutely not the case.

[Unkhrahuun the Atoned]

You guys see this?

http://legion.wowhead.com/item=14196...ame-of-insight

[ChakanDH]

Even with First Blood, is using Blade Dance on single target fights even worth it? It doesn't, under any circumstance, do more damage than Chaos Strike, nor does Death Sweep do more damage than Annihilation, so I don't see how it is in a good spot. Does anyone have data saying otherwise?

Not entirely sure that's accurate, both of those should do more damage if first blood is talented. The other benefit though is that it only costs 15 fury to use either ability, so within a demonic window for example you can potentially fit in more damage than just using annihilation.

[Donovan4893]

You guys see this?

http://legion.wowhead.com/item=14196...ame-of-insight

Looks like something that will be in our class hall somewhere, although I couldn't find them will help with doing world quests and stuff.