Will the UK break up following EU referendum?

[Deleted]

I find it amazing that those who used fear mongering to pressure people into Remain are now the same people who vouch for independence for Ireland and Wales.

It's almost as if it's rediculous that a nation with an independent majority view on something is subject to the whims of the union it is part of without any say in the matter!

[Deleted]

Oh so basically victim blaming, huh. Idiots fall for fearmongering (why would Labour allow a second Referendum when that would deprive them of their majority?) or out themselves as essentially racists (as it seemed less about the 'end of the Union' and more about 'Scots wielding influence on the Government') and yet it's the Scot's fault.

The expectation at the time from any one who was awake was that Labour and the SNP would do a deal in the event of a hung parliament, Labour gaining power in exchange for another independence vote at some stage. It was a quite rational hypothesis.

And yeah you people do bear a lot of the blame. We can both agree the sooner you fuck off the better.

[Crispin]

Iron needs to be heated before it can be forged into a sword.

EU will come out on top of it stronger than before. Right now all officials will be pushed to educate the european population rigorously on the value and benefits the EU provides them, it'll be a new campaign of strong pro-EU propaganda and it will create a few generations of people that will consider EU critics to be worse than traitors.

I agree, one major mistake by Cameron, is his rhetoric everytime he's been at a summit to negotiate with "them", he himself have painted it in a "us vs them" picture, I hope politicians in other EU countries drop their rhetoric as if the EU is some monster forced upon them.

This might be the wake up call the EU has needed, tostop the ignorant right wing to keep their lies going, and reform on actual issues.

[Deleted]

Better stay on a sunk UK ship? It's obvious that the independent country of Scotland wants to remain in the EU rather than the uk, I fail to see how the Leave side in GB can argue for Scotland to stay in what the socttish view in more negative light an what the English view the EU.

What the SN's political elite wants is power for itself.

[Shadowmelded]

The expectation at the time from any one who was awake was that Labour and the SNP would do a deal in the event of a hung parliament, Labour gaining power in exchange for another independence vote at some stage. It was a quite rational hypothesis.

And yeah you people do bear a lot of the blame. We can both agree the sooner you fuck off the better.

Oh yeah, purely about the Constitution

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Feels like its great to have a drink to this. Cheers to the beginning of the end mates! BTW guys and gals.. they are called "jobs" learn what they are and be prepared to get them.

[Danner]

Why doesn't Ireland just join the UK?.

Too much historical bad blood.

Ireland has historically been catholic, UK has historically been protestant (and catholic before that, it's messy). Ireland was part of the UK, and was treated exceedingly poorly - magnified by this difference. A few really famous incidents, like the UK leaders selling off irish food storages during a famine really sealed the deal. There is also the topic of northern ireland, which has been an endless source of strife between the two countries; see IRA.

Ireland rejoining the UK is going to happen just after the United Kingdom decides that English is a stupid language anyways and that we should all speak the superior language; French. That means, never.

[Ramz]

most likely but alas, would that be a bad thing?

other countrys wouldnt be able to buly the smaller ones, and so on and so on...

it has its ups and downs, unfortionately most people dont see it till it hits them in the face.

The sooner the EU breaks up the better for us all. We don't need this superstate with unelected and undismissable body to tell other countries how to live. All we needed was simply economic agreement between countries that would help with trade.

But they kept on thinking about regulations, about what should be produced and what not, they even recently banned the phytotherapy medicine. Yeah that totally doesn't give impression that pharmacological companies were behind it. Bullying countries that want to be independent with sanctions, and delying action against the invasion.

I could actually go on and on, but the bottomline is the beuaty of Europe is the fact that it consist of national countries, that are various becuause of it's culture, traditions andd so on.

[Deleted]

Scotland will lose free university education whereas I had £20k+ debt and their free prescriptions. Good luck on paying for that without England.

[Deleted]

It definitely should break up. And this was not the British people deciding, it was the English predominantly. Don't forget the N. Irish and Scottish people have both voted to remain, and the Scottish results were 62% in favour of Remain. Seriously, I am perplexed by the fact that the Celtic peoples haven't opened up their eyes to the reality of English enslavement and colonialism, and think that somehow, being in such a disastrous union as the UK actually helps protect and advance their national interests. I have deep respect for the Celts and hope they (hopefully even Wales) leave England's grip once and for all.

This was a decision made by England for the Scottish and Irish people. They should do everything they can to give up on everything English, even the language which they seem to gladly speak for whatever monstrously stupid reason imaginable.

Every region in Wales voted to leave the EU as well. In each Scottish region you'll not find any that were 100% Remain, anymore than you'll find the reverse.

The final result was a good indicator of where ALL the British people are. If you speak to most people here on the subject, you'll find that most of us were on the fence. You are actually displaying the kind of attitude that drove people to ultimately vote Leave in just enough numbers. We don't like other people telling us what WE should be thinking and doing with our own lives.

Plenty of 'Celts' (of which I am one) cast their vote to leave along with the English, we're well split among ourselves.

If there was a poll asking if you wanted European Federalism you'd get a sharp short kick in the balls off both sides in Britain.

[Shadowmelded]

Scotland will lose free university education whereas I had £20k+ debt and their free prescriptions. Good luck on paying for that without England.

Scotland breaks even. You could have those things in England if you bothered to vote for someone offering it instead of ushering in increasingly right wing Governments.

[Deleted]

The sooner the EU breaks up the better for us all. We don't need this superstate with unelected and undismissable body to tell other countries how to live. All we needed was simply economic agreement between countries that would help with trade.

We need co-operation on policing, tax evasion, financial controls. Without those things it is impossible to regulate free markets so they don't implode and provide security.

[Ravenblade]

Iron needs to be heated before it can be forged into a sword.

EU will come out on top of it stronger than before. Right now all officials will be pushed to educate the european population rigorously on the value and benefits the EU provides them, it'll be a new campaign of strong pro-EU propaganda and it will create a few generations of people that will consider EU critics to be worse than traitors.

This is however the issue in general: The EU and most of the old established political guard stood by and took their success for granted when most of it was still a byproduct of the Cold War still. Political education - whilst it definitely exists - is constantly outshone by populist diatribe commonly found on social media. People believe and digest messages born out simplicity easier than those born of complexity. People do not understand the EU or how it works. This is why they choose the easy option of an exit rather than the not so easy option of reform. If they understood its precise weaknesses, not the ones they actually see as weakness, and strengths as well they would react differently to matters of the EU. They would also understand: Pacta sunt servanda. You want a piece of the pie then you have to use the same cutlery as others do and not demand a flamethrower and an axe instead.

[Deleted]

Scotland breaks even. You could have those things in England if you bothered to vote for someone offering it instead of ushering in increasingly right wing Governments.

You are so naive. There is a very long history of nationalist movements pretending to be utopian socialists, then abandoning the left in power. If the SNP gets control then you will find they turn into nest-feathering free market types very quickly. Nationalist movements are always ultimately right-wing. Did you really think a banker like Salmond wants to share wealth?

[Rend Blackhand]

I will be moving back to Scotland in just over a year and I will be voting to remain in the UK again if it comes to another independence referendum.

[Hooked]

Without the UK I'm guessing the EU wont take anymore countries that are negative cash flows. Scotland is poor, what on earth could they offer the EU?.

[Ramz]

We need co-operation on policing, tax evasion, financial controls. Without those things it is impossible to regulate free markets so they don't implode and provide security.

that is up to countries on how they deal with it, betweeen each country there can be different agreement, becuase each country has different needs. For example China is not in EU and yet it has various contracts with european countries and keeps on expanding due to Silk Route project.

And honestly to european "financial"control is extremely poor, as there was no real action made for countries around midterrenian sea like Greece, Spain, Portugal instead of coming up with real solutions the problems kept on expanding and escalating.

[Deleted]

that is up to countries on how they deal with it, betweeen each country there can be different agreement, becuase each country has different needs. For example China is not in EU and yet it has various contracts with european countries and keeps on expanding due to Silk Route project.

And honestly to european "financial"control is extremely poor, as there was no real action made for countries around midterrenian sea like Greece, Spain, Portugal instead of coming up with real solutions the problems kept on expanding and escalating.

It may have been poor but It was still way tougher than what the UK wanted.

[Cien]

Following the Brexit that is now a reality, I want to ask my fellow forumers about their predictions on the future of the UK. People of both Northern Ireland and Scotland have been forced to leave the European Union, and it is expected that in the foreseeable future they will both hold independence referendums.

I am very much for breaking up this dysfunctional union that is the UK, and I am confident that my fellow Europeans too wish to see the Scottish and Northern Irish people be part of our path toward unity and prosperity. I am also confident that independence referendums will take place, and the UK will cease to be as it is. In the end, England will take a loss much greater than any other entity involved beginning in their EU referendum and ending in the independence referendum of the last country to leave their union in the near future.

no, while xenophobes may have prevailed today, i'll be damned if that scottish harpy succeeds in trying to get another referendum, she's done enough damage for one lifetime, will be very hypocritical for her to keep stating to say unified while trying to dissolve our own union

[Deleted]

Why doesn't Ireland just join the UK?.

Hmm.. well maybe because they were conquered by England in the 1500's and did not get their Independence till 1916?
Because all their wealth was stripped off them and taken to the UK?
Treated as second class citizens for 400 years?

Might have something to do with it.