BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Deleted]

UK will always be powerful especially with the US behind them.

US is more pro EU than pro UK. At least while Obama is still president.

[Deleted]

If the EU economy tanks, they end up like Cameron. The alternative is to come to a deal that both sides are okay with and then fudge it by bringing the public conversation around to the benefits of membership over a partnership to other EU states.



So the EU are going to risk further economic issues in the EU with euroscepticism on the rise? Do you see that the bargaining power is not as one sided as people think?

The bargaining power isn't one sided, but why would the UK be in a better position now, than when they were in? It makes no sense. If the EU doesn't show any muscle now, nobody can take the institution seriously. They HAVE to act. They will come to an agreement, but it sure as hell won't be more or even as beneficial to the UK than it is now, considering the UK already got a very preferential treatment even tho it's not even the most powerful nation in the EU. If the US will support the UK in any significant way also remains to be seen, considering they wanted the UK to stay considering the UK isn't that important of a trading partner for the US.

[Stormdash]

Yes. Old people are retarded. They have no idea what's going on in the world, especially since many of them don't even understand how to use a computer or smartphone beyond Facebook. They should have no say in what happens in the world going forward when they're going to die before they face any consequences.

So because they aren't as good with irrelevant trivialities like Facebook, they are less competent on issues of state? What exactly does an 18 year old actually know about what makes a country prosperous or safe? Nothing, first hand, obviously; the rest is what they've been told and that's very vulnerable to GIGO.

[Kalis]

It's not one sided, but thinking you can get better deal being outside of EU, than when you are part of it, is nonsense.

I am sure I did not say a better deal, I said a cheaper deal.

The main issues with the EU that the UK had were:

1. Immigration - solved by leaving
2. Legislation - any business with the EU would be subject to their legislation, business anywhere else can be on separate terms
3. Cost of membership - any payment will have to be cheaper, or the UK will not agree to a deal

The EU will accept 3, because it is not worth them not accepting it.

[Shadowferal]

Sucks that the US doesn't agree with their Brexit then and will only pressure the UK in getting back in.

Maybe.
But don't count on the special relationship to ever go away.

[Deleted]

It won't go to that, the Conservatives will still retain power, so it'll be up to them who gets put up for leadership. Given the fact that Boris Johnson has just led a successful Leave campaign, it'll more than likely be him.

Well Boris Jonson is unelectable for many conservatives. Reelections are much more probable and a fresh start. Lets see who will get the votes when goods will be more expensive and unemployment will rise. And there is noone else to blame. Of course they can still blame muslims or something like that. But that would be close to Germany in the 1930s.

[Stormdash]

Sucks that the US doesn't agree with their Brexit then and will only pressure the UK in getting back in.

Well, let's just put a pin in that for a few months, because Americans likely don't disagree with Brexit, just the current ruling class.

[Fadeslol]

Sucks that the US doesn't agree with their Brexit then and will only pressure the UK in getting back in.

Obama doesn't agree. I 100% agree with them leaving. Just because our fail president goes into England and tries to tell them what to do doesn't mean he is right. He is a complete failure and his opinion doesn't matter. He wants global govt too.

[PC2]

Yes. Old people are retarded. They have no idea what's going on in the world, especially since many of them don't even understand how to use a computer or smartphone beyond Facebook. They should have no say in what happens in the world going forward when they're going to die before they face any consequences.

[Fadeslol]

US is more pro EU than pro UK. At least while Obama is still president.

Obama = Failed President, wants global govt. His opinion doesn't mean shit.

[Deleted]

If the EU economy tanks, they end up like Cameron. The alternative is to come to a deal that both sides are okay with and then fudge it by bringing the public conversation around to the benefits of membership over a partnership to other EU states.



So the EU are going to risk further economic issues in the EU with euroscepticism on the rise? Do you see that the bargaining power is not as one sided as people think?

No they won't risk anything. That's why they'll come up with a deal for you.

[Deleted]

Well Boris Jonson is unelectable for many conservatives. Reelections are much more probable and a fresh start. Lets see who will get the votes when goods will be more expensive and unemployment will rise. And there is noone else to blame. Of course they can still blame muslims or something like that. But that would be close to Germany in the 1930s.

This change in leadership won't go to a general election though. Its a party thing, and the only main candidates than the Tories can put up are Gove, Johnson or maybe May. They won't put someone in power whose been Pro Remain.

[Deleted]

1. Immigration - solved by leaving

No, you won't solve it unless you dissolve the commonwealth, where most of those that headed to the UK came from.

[Deleted]

Obama = Failed President, wants global govt. His opinion doesn't mean shit.

It does for now.

[Graeham]

So much ageism in this thread. Here's hoping the moderators intervene and punish the bigots.

[Stormdash]

US is more pro EU than pro UK. At least while Obama is still president.

The UK is by far the closest tie the Americans have of any European nation, that's not going to change tomorrow, no matter how much Obama wishes it would. Culture beats strategy, it's Americans that will determine the relationship between the US and UK, not our government. Anybody seeking national office in the US on a platform of trying to bully the UK back into the EU doesn't have a winning issue.

[Sliske]

The EU was a good idea, just badly run. The people in charge of the EU openly say they hate democracy and see it as nothing more than an obstacle.

Who knew putting 500m people under one roof would cause problems?

[Deleted]

Except they weren't, which is the point. Britain was fine and strong and stable, it had been out of economic downturn for more than a decade,

The economic down turn that ended in 78'?

[Stormdash]

I don't give two fucks how experienced they are, or how they think they know better than us. Our generation overwhelmingly wants to stay.
You know, the group that isn't terrified of technology and isn't reading laughable tabloids.

They objectively, factually know better than you. It's not a perception issue.

[Deleted]

1. Immigration - solved by leaving

Nope. You had more immigrants from outside EU than EU. Norway who is not a part of EU still has a lot of immigrants. You will have a lot of immigrants regardless of being part of EU.