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And me saying how any deal that will be worse than what UK has now, which is the only possible outcome due to the difference in negotiating power would already constitute making an example of UK went over yours. Hell, I even said that even changing nothing other than removing UK's vote would constitute as such. But who cares about reading, nationalist chestbeating for ze win. Humor me and point out the post in which I said anything about destruction of the UK.
Yes, the economies are intertwined, you haven't discovered America here. But doing anything to them will hurt UK more due to the size difference. So they aren't in a position to do shit to Ireland no matter how many times you repeat it. It won't magically become reality just because ze empire is eternal in your mind. And just because the deal will be acceptable to the UK (again, great discovery here, if it wasn't acceptable it would be peace terms, not a deal) doesn't mean it will be some amazing victory for UK. Acceptable != what UK would prefer.
And because you threw a super adult tantrum whenever you didn't get your way. Germany economy is stronger. Miraculously they have less of a snowflake status than you.
But they will not cover UK's bed with rose petals either, because that's also not in their interest. They will use their stronger position to make a deal that's favorable to them because that's the reality of negotiation. Even with UK's He-Men diplomatic squad.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
I'm sorry but I don't think making sure that everyone in the UK suffers is the "best result", i'm not that bitter.
And I come from a mining town, from a family that before my generation had been coal miners for 5 generations, and whose father, grandfather and uncles fought in every battle of the Mining Strikes.
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Where does it say that?
There is no clarity whatsoever on the 'notification'.
There is no requirement on it being, official, in writing, or direct to them.2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
So yeah, the PM saying that the vote must be respected can certainly count.
I mean, isn't this the classical problem of International Law? Nations want their sovereignty, but we want some way to hold other nations accountable for when they do something wrong. To a lesser extent, we have a microcosm of that debate in the United States with States Rights vs. Federalism.
The problem of BREXIT is that the EU is stronger with the UK in it, and the UK feels like it's unfairly carrying too much of a load for lagging members of the EU (whether that's true or not is irrelevant). The problem is, Europe as a whole needs a stable, multi-national entity, because it's too small and interconnected (area wise) to afford Poland and other former Eastern bloc countries from collapsing. Collapsing individual countries cause instability in the whole region, so the EU rightly looks to stablize that....at the cost of the most prosperous members of the EU. Germany has accepted that role, but it seems the UK electorate hasn't. Ironically, it's now up to the Germans to keep Europe stable.
Globalization is real, and, at this point, probably unavoidable. This isn't the 19th or even early 20th century, isolationism is simply not feasible. What I cannot understand, as a progressive myself, why people can't understand that if they want the benefits of freedom of capital, they have to put up with the sacrifices of freedom of labor? I mean, how capitalist is it for companies to dumpster dive to countries where they can lower production costs, but not allow labor forces to seek better employment and standards? That would be the push and pull of a market-based capitalist society. But short-sighted people simply want cheap goods but not lose jobs but also not have to compete for jobs against immigrant populations. It's a mind-boggling mess. The EU (and the Schengen area, imo) were all about promoting free trade - but 1st world countries, like the U.S., Germany, and the UK, have to accept the ramifications of being a truly competitive market.
This is why, personally, I tend to be more democratic socialist in my thoughts. There is no real capitalism (or globalization) in the world, just an exploitative attempt by rich multi-national corporations to keep their production costs low and their labor forces locked in place. The EU tried to counteract that, and now one of its most stable members is rebelling back to that short-sighted, 20th century viewpoint. Growing up, people used to say, "Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for the others" (echoing Churchill's sentiments on democracy) but I don't think that's true any more.
I wonder if the five presidents of the EU will cut back on some of those private jet, caviar fuelled world tours they regularly go on?
I don't think so at all, wasn't remainers saying something like the Britains economy and trading would die and leavers saying something like Britain would be over-run with foreigners forever? Both ofc wrong.
It' would be silly and very counter productivefor anyone in Britain to get consumed by despair by anything, I think everyone knew at first the market won't react positively to an exit news, but the economy and trading have certainly not died, nor should they be thinking it has and will.
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People are already saying they have a double feeling about this, one thing they don't like it as the EU is weaker as a whole on the other side, they aren't sad the UK is leaving for the reasons you just mentioned.
Verhofstad just said that on the news, i doubt he's the only one also.