BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Noradin]

Punishing the EU wouldn't be giving us a fair deal. Giving us a fair deal will be something similar to Norway or Switzerland, which will give us access to the EEA. And thats all i'm asking for, once again I think your getting me confused with Kalis, i've never said that we should get a better deal than we already had, I don't think thats going to happen at all.

But people are talking about kick us out entirely and punishing the UK for daring to democractically elect to leave. And that is foolish, emotional rhetoric.

Threatening to sabotage the EU could be abused as leverage to get unfair concessions out of the EU.
We must saveguard against that.

[Deleted]

I know what you're saying advanta. And mind you, bringing physical production back wouldn't be bad but A) you need time to stabilise and B) financial sector doesn't necessarily mean reckless trading.

Every society needs a system of capital allocation. The banks have provied themselves incapable of looking after people's money. They would have gone to the wall but for state intervention and been replaced. Let the market do its work in this case.

[Theodarzna]

If only it were just MMO champ. Some of the leading eurocrats issued rather nasty statements.

Well hurt feelings will be there, the EU is allegedly the greatest thing since ever, the most noble, most resplendent, most perfect endeavor of all human kind, how could the last and final idea, the absolutely flawless system be rejected by those vile heretics on those damp miserable islands?

[Kalis]

...financial sector doesn't necessarily mean reckless trading.

What have you done? Retract that and declare all people working in finance as pure evil.

[Deleted]

Hahahahaha

Is the world going to burn now?

[Repefe]

Regarding the exodus of the banking sector: absolutely no one cares and many will be glad. The reason is that while they might have improvied the balance sheet of the UK, they had no positive impact on the UK at all in real terms insofar as the general population were concerned. It is like a casino upping sticks and moving across town. Sure, it makes money but it doesn't improve your society or economy so no one gives a shit.

You mean the work opportunities, the housing requirements, the service requirements ... are just a joke ? If a big bank moves 2k ppl from London, it will mean 3-4k jobs lost on top of tax money lost. I can imagine that ppl don't care ... but once this turns into increase of unemployment and jobs lost, some ppl will change their mind. They just won't connect the dots.

[Grym]

Sure, it makes money but it doesn't improve your society or economy so no one gives a shit.

It makes money and therefore improve the general living standard of the society.

Getting rid of them will only damage yourself.

[Deleted]

If only it were just MMO champ. Some of the leading eurocrats issued rather nasty statements.

What do you expect? The UK were giving an amazing deal considering they weren't even in the euro.
They've been a pain in the ass since forever, and now this?

[bufferunderrun]

If only it were just MMO champ. Some of the leading eurocrats issued rather nasty statements.

what nasty statement? That entire europe won't wait for the tory to decide who the successor of camoron will be? Yup truly nasty.

you have decided already so trig that article 50 and live with consequences of our choice.

[Thepersona]

What have you done? Retract that and declare all people working in finance as pure evil.

lol
mostly people who work in finance are like the average joe, but trying to trade things. maybe the top percentage of the financial sector is motivated by purely selfish means

[Noradin]

Losing that £19 billion a month in exports to the UK while the negotiations are going on would hurt the EU more than simply giving us 2 years to complete our negotiations and having no interruption in exports.

Sure, I agree. What I do not agree with is giving you extra time on top of that and the opportunity to vote and sit on both sides of the negotiation during the whole time. Would you agree not to meddle in EU matters during that time if no changes agreed upon by the remaining states in that time period would apply to the UK (aside from those agreed upon in the negotiations that is, naturally)?

[Deleted]

Well hurt feelings will be there, the EU is allegedly the greatest thing since ever, the most noble, most resplendent, most perfect endeavor of all human kind, how could the last and final idea, the absolutely flawless system be rejected by those vile heretics on those damp miserable islands?

It was flawed and bureaucratic but it mostly succeded at the things it was designed for, such as stopping WWIII.

I don't have enough arbitary hatred of foreigners to give up something like that.

[SocialJusticeWarrior]

If only the BBC had spent more time calling Britons racist for wanting to leave the EU, THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.

[Kalis]

Every society needs a system of capital allocation. The banks have provied themselves incapable of looking after people's money. They would have gone to the wall but for state intervention and been replaced. Let the market do its work in this case.

But why do you hate the entire financial sector for what some banks did? The company I worked for at the time never requested or received any bailout.

[Damajin]

but England will be alone, no fancy united kingdom anymore. being the center of financial Europe, a thing of the past. but you gave them paper pushing tyrants good.
people voting against their best interests out of spite and misinformation.

Please, it's ridiculous to think that England won't adapt and won't maintain the United Kingdom bit. Well, it might lose some of the U.K. but still all will be fine.

Those people voted for their own sake, for the country and sovereignty whether they realize it or not. There'll be some to lots of bumps in the road going forward but better to be your own nation rather than a part of the EU anyday.

[Deleted]

Do you punish people for trying to escape a prison?
Germany (where Slant is from) only punishes them for the crimes they commit while escaping.

Ahh.. Makes sense. The EU is pretty much a vehicle for German Industry. Must be annoying for them when one of the slaves escape, it might give the others hope.

Hence why he's so much into punishment, to 'Encourager Les Autres'. Wouldn't want the rest of the slaves rebelling eh Slant?

[javen]

The economy was damaged because investors don't like uncertainty. Which the UK won't have until the separation is complete (which they seem to be trying to stall, while the EU is already saying hurry up) and the number of trade agreements that will be rendered invalid for the UK, since they were negotiated with the entirety of the EU. Not to mention that when they ARE renegotiated, the UK will be in a much weaker position, due to both the downturn of their own economy in a vacuum and the fact that they are on their own. Fewer special permissions and considerations will be given than if they could be considered part of the EU and more on par with the US.

[Noradin]

Oh but Solidarity of Europeans, Is not the Continent all in this together? So I guess its Solidarity as long as its convenient and inexpensive.

Do you read what you quote?

[Deleted]

You mean the work opportunities, the housing requirements, the service requirements ... are just a joke ? If a big bank moves 2k ppl from London, it will mean 3-4k jobs lost on top of tax money lost. I can imagine that ppl don't care ... but once this turns into increase of unemployment and jobs lost, some ppl will change their mind. They just won't connect the dots.

None of those people would be in work anyway but for massive state subsidy.

Pay them to do something useful.

[Theodarzna]

It was flawed and bureaucratic but it mostly succeded at the things it was designed for, such as stopping WWIII.

I don't have enough arbitary hatred of foreigners to give up something like that.

The issue with immigrants was a much deeper class based issue. If you hire a maid you are for it, and probably pro-EU. After all its good business. If you happen to work as a maid? Well, that can change your opinion. But then again Technocrats never think of the consequences for the little people beneath them that they shovel into the furnace of alleged progress.