BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Jessicka]

It's stupid because I lost, waaah waaah

What do leavers actually win though? Because by all accounts it isn't more NHS funding or controls on immigration.

[Daws]

The EU itself will want to punish britain but sadly i doubt the national goverments of europe will stick by the eu when it needs them. they will probally give the uk a good deal from what i read, which means more likely to leave in the eu.

Tough one if EU goes to soft it will encourage others to try it but on the other hand if there seen as to harsh many will use it to try and show the EU as a negative entity and use that to encourage more people to leave. So basically the EU needs to navigate between being seen as a wimp or a bully.

[Noradin]

It will shift the accountability from the EU and directly towards politicians. Unless, of course, people buy into the classic trick of 'divide and conquer' and focus instead on blaming each other for the result of the referendum.

Accountability for these problems always was with their own politicans.

[Shadowmelded]

What do leavers actually win though? Because by all accounts it isn't more NHS funding or controls on immigration.

Their new trope is "Accountability" forgetting the fact we elect MEPs, and MPs and conveniently forgetting the House of Lords and the fact we'll have a PM soon that no-one voted for in Boris. Oh and the fact that we'll still be subject to EU regulations if we want to access the Common Market except now we won't have a seat at the table.

[Daljo]

This whole thing is stupid. it should have required a super majority of 60% on a turn out of 75%

Are you being serious with that statement?

You complain about late teenagers having to live with the consequences but the 18-24 age group had the lowest turnout, as usual.

[Noradin]

Except the article 50 wasn't called yet and those "trade deals" can't be negociated while the UK is still in the EU.

Yes, why would we allow the UK to sit on both sides of those negotiations?

[Draco-Onis]

Actually, in America its called we the people. so yes it is a right.

The US Govt is bringing in tens of thousands of migrants, unvetted.

Unvetted means going through the UN and 9 US government agencies?

[Deleted]

This whole thing is stupid. it should have required a super majority of 60% on a turn out of 75%, not a simple majority of 50.0001%+ which could have been decided by ten blokes in a pub voting leave for lols. This was a decision that has global consequences. And what about the 16/17 year olds who were allowed to vote for the future of Scotland in the UK? Suddenly they're not allowed to vote for a similar thing re: the EU? It's their future and they have to live with it, and they were silenced for ... reasons.

Stupid.

Yes but it was decided by 10 blokes down the pub, it was decided by 1 million more people deciding to vote Leave than Remain.

I know what your getting at, but I feel people are getting bogged down in the percentages and not actually looking at the numbers.

[Fadeslol]

Unvetted means going through the UN and 9 US government agencies?

None of them are getting checked. We don't know who they are and we don't know if they have any diseases.

[Noradin]

Google does. Here's an example: http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...outside-the-EU

Yes, of course they will, but they will want some concessions now that the UK is on its own and not part of the EU anymore.

[Jessicka]

Google does. Here's an example: http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...outside-the-EU

Of course the claim that there are many trade deals on the table require many sources, but I'm on a phone atm. and therefore cba to find t for you. Just google it. Really.

Also we don't want all the same negotiated deals we had in the R
EU and for the next 2 years nothing changes.

The Express? Really?

[durrtygoodz]

Not British, so made no decision. Just a pure analysis as an outsider.

Sorry but people that don't live here don't have a full understanding of life here so their judgement is flawed.

[Jessicka]

Daily Mail readers with their holiday homes are now panicking at the misinformation.

[Noradin]

the EU forces France and Britain to take them in.

Nope. The treaties about asylum are way older than that.

[ranzino]

Daily Mail readers with their holiday homes are now panicking at the misinformation.

....

Best Guess: quarantine rules and a permission to settle in France ( but not french citizenship).

[durrtygoodz]

This whole thing is stupid. it should have required a super majority of 60% on a turn out of 75%, not a simple majority of 50.0001%+ which could have been decided by ten blokes in a pub voting leave for lols. This was a decision that has global consequences. And what about the 16/17 year olds who were allowed to vote for the future of Scotland in the UK? Suddenly they're not allowed to vote for a similar thing re: the EU? It's their future and they have to live with it, and they were silenced for ... reasons.

Stupid.

>implying that every 16-17 year old would have voted remain
>implying that every 16-17 year old would have even turned up to vote

My generation have provided me with the most lols the past 2 days. Complaining old people "fucked it up" for them, when only 25% of them could be arsed getting themselves to the polling station.

And why should leave have required 60%, but not remain? This is not democracy.

[Kalis]

Frexit next?

[Jessicka]

And why should leave have required 60%, but not remain? This is not democracy.

That's the requirement for the House of Parliament to demand a General Election. It's not strange or unusual to put such thresholds on such big decisions away from the status quo.

Not that I agree with it, I'm a pretty ardent Federalist, but it is what it is and we need to hurry up and decide what to do with it, not flip flop around for 10 years making up our minds. Which frankly, is something that should have been done long before the referendum was called.

[ati87]

Google does. Here's an example: http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...outside-the-EU

Of course the claim that there are many trade deals on the table require many sources, but I'm on a phone atm. and therefore cba to find t for you. Just google it. Really.

Also we don't want all the same negotiated deals we had in the R
EU and for the next 2 years nothing changes.

The argument was that the UK alone would have less leverage when negotiating with the likes of US and co, this argument still stands.

And here I thought there was something special going on

[Independent voter]

Frexit next?

Damn, Germany and France don't like the EU that much and they're like the EU. Why not just dismantle the EU, and make something everyone wants? EU2?