What happens to now? [UK\EU]

[Deleted]

Yeah look at how the world is going with you guys in charge lol.

Perhaps the younger generation should've voted then. You can't bitch about people over 40 voting leave when the turnout for those under 25 was low

[Zecora]

What happens to now? [UK\EU]

This is a situation that could go a number of ways. However, a few of the possibilities as I see it is...

Scenario A1: The EU takes it's vengeance on UK, screws them over and enacts more roadblocks to others leaving. In addition they continue to transfer even more power from the individual states to the EU central bureocracy, further undermining the position of democracy in the western world. All whip. Unrest ensues, the EU either rips itself apart or makes the transition to (*shudder*) an American-like system.

Scenario A2: The EU takes it's vengeance on UK, screws them over and enacts more roadblocks to others leaving. However, the EU system is also reformed to be more democratic, preserving more of each state's power and lessening the drive to leave. Carrot and whip both. The EU might survive.

Scenario B1: The EU gives UK neutral-to-favorable terms. The EU system remains more or less as it is, torn between the forces of democracy and bureocratic power greed. A few more nations leave, the EU survives in some form or other.

Scenario C1: The EU gives UK good terms, but doesn't change the EU system. This results in a lot more nations leaving, and the EU either passes into obscurity, is re-booted as the cooperation system it once was, or dies.

Scenario C2: The EU gives UK good terms, but also enacts huge reforms to ensure that the EU system becomes a truly democratic system. Combined with guarantees of national sovereignty, this eases tensions and prevents more nations from leaving. The EU survives as a less coherent, but more stable union. GB may or may not rejoin after a number of years have passed.

Of course, this is just a small number of the possible outcomes.


Regardless, I congratulate UK on the decision of leaving what has become an increasingly undemocratic and despotic system driven only by greed for money and power. I personally hope a lot more nations will follow this example unless the EU completely reforms their system. The EU was a nice dream that is slowly changing into a nightmare, and perhaps this "Brexit" will change that. I don't think so, but it's worth hoping for!

[Bethanie]

There was a (jokey) call just after the Scottish independence vote for the rest of the UK to vote on expelling them, there is a decent chance it would have succeeded.

Perhaps we should have a referendum for Wales and England to leave the UK, I think it would have a reasonable chance of success. That way Scotland and NI would still be in the UK and could also stay on in the EU, though they may struggle to keep up the UK's payments to the EU without England.

[Raldazzar]

Then help them, show them that just because some of the loud voices were racists doesn't mean everyone is, explain to them that this was not what the vote was about, because it really wasn't (even if to the mind of the racist or fascist this is what it was, it wasn't). ANd assure them that they are very much a part of Britain and that hasn't ceased.

There is a lot of irrational fear and lots of wrong impressions which happens during confusion. But a clear voice of truth needs ring out loud and assure people what is the case. Concerning feeling welcome, that can be you, and I off course will choose to be one of those voices. Encourage others too, they'll see things clearly once they calm down.

Well said Mace. I like you. quite honestly, I've never seen such awful treatment of an opposing voter base than this campaign. the amount of digs/jabs..

'little englander' 'racist' 'xenophobe' 'bigot' 'unecated' 'poor' and the list goes on...

It's time to stop, even the Remain camp acknowledge massive flaws in the EU, the EU said it was NOT going to budge/reform any further. we did what we had to. not what we wanted to. even if you cannot see it yet.

the vote happened, Out won. this foot stamping and whining is insanity.. you either believe in democracy, and understand that the people have spoken and this time, their voices did not match yours. or you can write of democracy and cry for another vote because, this one didn't go your way.

as Mace said, move on, move past it, unite. right now we are neither GREAT Britain nor are we a UNITED kingdom. and for better or worse, we will need to be.

[Deleted]

Russia is part of Europe too right?

Far more than Turkey. Turkey should never join, for the reason alone that it isn't really part of Europe.

[Jessicka]

It is worth mentioning that there are some countries in Europe that are not part of EU and they still manage fine.

Yes, let's be like Russia, Ukraine, Albania and Serbia.

[Deleted]

Yeah a society that's on the constant brink of economic collapse and based on making money off of debt and consumerism. It's okay.

That last sentence shows how detached you are though rofl. I mean older generations got a lot more handed to them than we will ever get.

Well this proves that everything you're saying right now is coming solely from your emotions and not from rationale. Everything my generation and yours has at this moment in time, has come off the backs of my grandparents generation and generations before them fighting and dying to create. My generation and yours has done NOTHING but throw away everything they fought for. They did not fight for what the EU has become, they fought against this.

Your mind is in turmoil and you're talking absolute rubbish.

I get what you're feeling, this is scary. But it's also exciting. This was not a decision taken lightly, and i can promise it was hard one to decide upon.

[Deleted]

There was a (jokey) call just after the Scottish independence vote for the rest of the UK to vote on expelling them, there is a decent chance it would have succeeded.

I love Scotland but this would be bloody hilarious

[Kalis]

Perhaps we should have a referendum for Wales and England to leave the UK, I think it would have a reasonable chance of success. That way Scotland and NI would still be in the UK and could also stay on in the EU, though they may struggle to keep up the UK's payments to the EU without England.

"Struggle" is putting it mildly, just having to fund Northern Ireland would bankrupt Scotland.

[Deleted]

Yes, let's be like Russia, Ukraine, Albania and Serbia.

Yep! Instead we can be a super-successful EU country like Greece!

[Bethanie]

Yeah, those days of pre-socialised healthcare and pre-welfare states, they were just a glorious era of free-stuff-for-all said nobody that has ever picked up a history book.

The younger generation couldn't even be bothered to vote for the most part. They take things like the NHS and welfare state for granted, whilst the older generations are the people that brought those things into existence through hard work and decades of struggle in the first place.

[Deleted]

That's what we elect people to parliament for, and overwhelmingly, they voted to remain too.

For decisions of this magnitude, you cannot leave that up to a parliament of elected officials alone. That is the road to fascism. Demographics, positions in power or any other kind of metric are irrelevant. The majority voted out and that is it.

[Deleted]

Serbia.

They're joining.

[Deleted]

Are you 70?

You seem hung up over age

[Jessicka]

Well this proves that everything you're saying right now is coming solely from your emotions and not from rationale. Everything my generation and yours has at this moment in time, has come off the backs of my grandparents generation and generations before them fighting and dying to create. My generation and yours has done NOTHING but throw away everything they fought for. They did not fight for what the EU has become, they fought against this.

Your mind is in turmoil and you're talking absolute rubbish.

I get what you're feeling, this is scary. But it's also exciting. This was not a decision taken lightly, and i can promise it was hard one to decide upon.

What the fuck? The EU was put together by that very generation.

[Deleted]

The younger generation couldn't even be bothered to vote for the most part. They take things like the NHS and welfare state for granted, whilst the older generations are the people that brought those things into existence through hard work and decades of struggle in the first place.

Exactly I am tired of the young citizens bitching about it despite majority not voting

[Deleted]

Perhaps we should have a referendum for Wales and England to leave the UK, I think it would have a reasonable chance of success. That way Scotland and NI would still be in the UK and could also stay on in the EU, though they may struggle to keep up the UK's payments to the EU without England.

Without England there will be no UK, just like the SU was dissolved when Russia decided to leave.

[Deleted]

Most of my stuff comes off the backs of people who work in countries that make all our shit.

Yeah this is why im not taking you seriously, you're a condescending ass.

Yes, and that is the result of globalisation and the exploitation that comes with it.

As for condescending, possibly yes, but it's hard to not answer you without condescension when you're talking, thinking and behaving like a brat.

[Deleted]

Exactly I am tired of the young citizens bitching about it despite majority not voting

People with one leg in their grave shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Jessicka]

I sense media brain washing here. What do you actually know about those countries?

Russia aside, they're not the world players the UK thought itself to be.