Movie proves Thrall cheated to win in WoD?

[Tome]

Too many people here who doesn't even read into lore comment how "Thrall cheated" because they are on a Thrall hate bandwagon.

People also say that's why the elements abandoned him, because "he cheated!"

No, the elements abandoned Thrall because he used them by force to kill Garrosh. He didn't ask to lend their powers, he just simply took it by force. The elements doesn't give two craps about mortal rituals whether they cheat or not, they just get furious when their powers are being used with force for mere stupid mortal matters.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I would have preferred to see Vol'jin hunt Garrosh down like a common criminal, making good on his promise all those years ago.

[zerocarbs]

He literally tells you he cheated and feels bad about it in Legion... It's why he loses Doomhammer.

So basically Thrall is without honor and in order to redeem himself he will kill steal from the players on the final boss of Legion.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Why would that be cheating lol?
How could a Mage ever beat a Warrior in this universe if they weren't allowed to use Magic.

That shit was just for the film.

[elderu]

Why would that be cheating lol?
How could a Mage ever beat a Warrior in this universe if they weren't allowed to use Magic.

That shit was just for the film.

Because it's not just a battle. It's a sacred tradition between Orcs.

[Nathreim]

The rules are agreed on by the combatants the oldest way is what Garrosh and Cairne used but its not the only way. Garrosh had fought a Mak'gora with Thrall before and Thrall used magic.

Durotan challenged Gul'dan to unarmed combat Guldan agreed so when he used magic he cheated.

Thrall forced the elements which is why they are not responding to him in Legion.

[Deleted]

Who cares that he cheated, Garrosh needed to die and deserved to be cheated on, it's not like Garrosh never cheated in the past.

You guys need to find a hobby.

[Gohzerlock]

The elements will destroy you!

[Kellorion]

Why wouldn't the Warsong Clan know how to prepare the ritual, having witnessed Thrall challenge him to Mak'gora? The cinematic skips directly to the fight, we have no way of knowing what occurred between.

So after a massive battle, a challenge for leadership was shouted in the heat of the moment, they broke, took a break, rested, gathered shammies, did a ritual, rode off to the stones and fought, but were stll pretty amped up?
Instead of just going off and settling it?

I believe the point Atheries was making is that the elements of Azeroth are not the same as the furies of Draenor. They're described as being so different that Thrall was having trouble wielding them in Frostfire Ridge (giant tornado aside). Either they have some method of communicating across space and time, the elementals of Azeroth realized what Thrall had done from Thrall himself, or somebody missed a plot hole along the way.

Yea, thats the part thats badly writen. How would they know, when Thrall got back did him and the elementals have guy talk.

"Son, i am disappoint....."

[Frumpy Frumpy Frak]

So basically Thrall is without honor and in order to redeem himself he will kill steal from the players on the final boss of Legion.

Exactly, if the movie taught us anything, it's that the Horde loves team killing kill stealers. He became a team killer after his little coup against Garrosh so he's already half way there.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Exactly, if the movie taught us anything, it's that the Horde loves team killing kill stealers. He became a team killer after his little coup against Garrosh so he's already half way there.

Erm no. Even in the movie, many of the Orcs were murmuring against Gul'dan for what he did. They were just too scared to even oppose Gul'dan because he'd f up their shit.

[bmjclark]

The movie's makgora was obviously fought with a different rule set considering they were both unarmed . In game, during the WotLK pre event, Thrall fought Garrosh in a makgora and used the elements and no one complained then, not even Garrosh.

[Shibito]

He didnt cheat he is a shaman and was allowed to use shaman abilities. Just as garrosh used warrior abilities. You guys are just mad green jebus is 2 good 4 you.

[Alvito]

The idea that people can't use all the abilities they have is pretty damn absurd. In the case of Thrall and Garrosh, there is an understanding of what you can and cannot do. For Gul'dan there is no such thing. Take it a step further and look at it from a player stand point, is it cheating if a warlock in game doesn't just sit there and let a rogue or somebody pummel the crap out of them without casting something?

[Frumpy Frumpy Frak]

Erm no. Even in the movie, many of the Orcs were murmuring against Gul'dan for what he did. They were just too scared to even oppose Gul'dan because he'd f up their shit.

I was talking about Garona. I don't see how a race like the orcs would see stabbing someone in the back after winning their trust as honourable, especially when Blackhand was about to rek Llane's shit anyway.

[Fritters154]

Exactly, if the movie taught us anything, it's that the Horde loves team killing kill stealers. He became a team killer after his little coup against Garrosh so he's already half way there.

All the way there. He stole the Deathwing kill.

[Sierra85]

I would have preferred to see Vol'jin hunt Garrosh down like a common criminal, making good on his promise all those years ago.

would have been better storywise, and given Vol'jin something to actually do. Whats he done? Nothing. great war chief.

[Frumpy Frumpy Frak]

All the way there. He stole the Deathwing kill.

In Thrall's defense (I can't believe I just said that), the Demon Soul was the only thing actually capable of killing Deathwing.

[Darktbs]

The movie's makgora was obviously fought with a different rule set considering they were both unarmed . In game, during the WotLK pre event, Thrall fought Garrosh in a makgora and used the elements and no one complained then, not even Garrosh.

Its a bit diferent,one shaman does not need to call for the elements everytime he casts a Chain Lightning,Lightning bolt or Lava Burst.It would be funny in a raid the shaman screaming:

"Spirits of the Fire hear my call ,Lava burst!"

"Spirits of the Fire hear my call Lava burst!"
"Spirits of the Fire:Lava burst!"

Ragnaros: Dude just cast,you don't need to ask for that.

[Treno]

Too many people here who doesn't even read into lore comment how "Thrall cheated" because they are on a Thrall hate bandwagon.

People also say that's why the elements abandoned him, because "he cheated!"

No, the elements abandoned Thrall because he used them by force to kill Garrosh. He didn't ask to lend their powers, he just simply took it by force. The elements doesn't give two craps about mortal rituals whether they cheat or not, they just get furious when their powers are being used with force for mere stupid mortal matters.

Exactly. The cheat or no cheat part is irrelevant to the Element's refusal to work with him in Legion.