BREXIT - leave or remain?

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Im not so sure, they lost a lot of money, that is like 13 cents they have lost when trading in from the dollar. From it being the third most traded currency in the world, it is a lot.

And we are still years before the real Brexit. Most of the negative consequences are still ahead and years away.

Remember the financial crisis in 2008? Southern europe is still fighting very hard with its consequences even 8 years after it. The real consequences are still months and years ahead.

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The referendum pledge was in 2015 IIRC. 55% of Scots were too chicken to take a chance in 2014.

Luckily they are in the right mood now.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Really? That doesn't make any sense. Aside from not having to apply EU law with regards to fisheries or agriculture, and of course not having to join Schengen or the Eurozone - which the UK didn't have to do anyway as it has a permanent opt-out - most of the rest of the EU laws must be applied, without having any representation in the democratic institutions of the EU. Including the free movement of people, which seemed to be a major case for the Leave campaign. So that makes zero sense. The fee payed into the EU is smaller of course, but relative to the fact that you get nothing back from the EU as you do being a member state (Cornwall and Northern Ireland, among many other places, gets a lot of regional development funding from the EU for example) it is probably slightly more expensive to be in the EEA. And given that the UK, unlike any other member state, had another special case in having a permanent rebate on your membership fee which ment you payed £4.9 billion less than you should have without it every year, the cost if you take into consideration what you get back would likely increase for the UK. And since all this money being sent to "Brussels" was a big issue for the Leave campaign I can't imagine they'd want that either. I will be shocked if what they want is to be members of the EEA. Oh, no wait. Being shocked would've required me to believe that the outcome of this referendum was the result of rational thinking and adherence to facts. So ok.. guess I was wrong, it makes perfect sense..

perfect sense indeed

[GennGreymane]

Funniest one I sawtoday

[Snorkles]

Well, at least if the UK does leave we won't be able to fight for narrow vested interests blocking what should be no-brainer regulations.

[Deleted]

The silver lining is, when the economy shrinks its areas like wales cornwall and the north that will generally be hit the hardest (as they wont get eu subsidies anymore + a weaker economy) so they've all fucked themselves over. And because of the inevitable inflation, energy prices will go up about 12%, so lets hope for a cold winter to thin out the baby boomers a bit.

[Consternation]

And we are still years before the real Brexit. Most of the negative consequences are still ahead and years away.

Remember the financial crisis in 2008? Southern europe is still fighting very hard with its consequences even 8 years after it. The real consequences are still months and years ahead.

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Luckily they are in the right mood now.

Why is it lucky, scottish independence is even dumber than brexit was

[Ulmita]

'No need to write, David,' impatient EU tells Cameron

Britain need not send a formal letter to the European Union to trigger a two-year countdown to its exit from the bloc, EU officials said, implying British Prime Minister David Cameron could start the process when he speaks at a summit on Tuesday.


"'Triggering' ... could either be a letter to the president of the European Council or an official statement at a meeting of the European Council duly noted in the official records of the meeting," a spokesman for the council of EU leaders said.


A second EU official, asked about mounting frustration among leaders with the British prime minister's delay in delivering the formal notification required to launch divorce proceedings, said: "It doesn't have to be written. He can just say it."


Cameron will brief the other 27 national leaders over dinner at a European Council summit in Brussels on Tuesday on the outcome of Thursday's referendum at which Britons voted to leave the EU, prompting him to announce he will resign.


On Friday, he said he would leave it to his successor as Conservative party leader and premier to trigger Article 50 of the EU treaty, which sets out a two-year process to quit the bloc. That appeared to be a reversal of a pledge to launch the process immediately after the vote. It has angered EU leaders who want a quick settlement to limit uncertainty.


Some European leaders still expect Cameron himself to start the process in the coming days or weeks, officials said on Saturday. British officials were not immediately available.
Some Brexit campaigners have long said that Britain should aim to negotiate a comprehensive new relationship with the EU, seeking access to markets without submitting to EU rules or open migration, before binding itself into the two-year timetable that would be fixed for talks if Article 50 is triggered.
Such talk worries EU officials and leaders who fear that a prolonged haggling with London will further increase the risk of a domino effect of nationalist-led demands for exit from other states. They do not see a legal way to force Britain to start the process but have piled political pressure on Cameron to honour his pledge to launch Article 50 negotiations and respect the popular vote.
MUST BE EXPLICIT


The Council spokesman made clear that leaders cannot simply choose to interpret something Cameron says as the trigger without the prime minister saying clearly he means it to be.


"The notification of Article 50 is a formal act and has to be done by the British government to the European Council," the spokesman said. "It has to be done in an unequivocal manner with the explicit intent to trigger Article 50.


"Negotiations of leaving and the future relationship can only begin after such a formal notification. If it is indeed the intention of the British government to leave the EU, it is therefore in its interest to notify as soon as possible."


Since the shock vote on Thursday, won 52-48 percent by the Leave camp in defiance of polls and the bulk of the British establishment, there have been calls in Britain for the result to be reviewed or for parliament to ignore the referendum.


The second EU official, asked whether Britain could launch the process and then ask to stay, said that was not foreseen by the treaty: "Once you trigger it, you cannot take it back."
If a state fails to agree a departure treaty with the others, EU law simply stops applying to it after two years.

[Collegeguy]

I love how even North Korea wants a second vote.

That's like every single person in North Korea with a computer.

[Consternation]

'No need to write, David,' impatient EU tells Cameron

Don't think it's in britains interest to activate article 50, prob best for us to sort all deals before we put a stopwatch on it.

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Luckily they are in the right mood now.

One can only hope they don't get it until their population pulls it's head out of it's rear end instead of it's rulers running off for handouts.

[Deleted]

They should just vote again and again till they decide to remain in the EU tbh.

[PC2]

Funniest one I sawtoday

The UK will be in a better position to stop unhealthy mass immigration when it is out of the EU. Well worth it.

[Deleted]

They should just vote again and again till they decide to remain in the EU tbh.

Nice democracy you got there friend.

[Kallisto]

The UK will be in a better position to stop unhealthy mass immigration when it is out of the EU. Well worth it.

It won't. Also there was no mass immigration to Britain anyway, also EU immigration won't be changing either according to Brexit people.

[PC2]

It won't. Also there was no mass immigration to Britain anyway, also EU immigration won't be changing either according to Brexit people.

How is there so many immigrants in London then?

[Kallisto]

How is there so many immigrants in London then?

Question. do you consider 2nd and 3rd generation non whites as immigrants? Or if we're talking about those born outside the UK we have to take to account a huge number of those are actually children of British armed forces members stationed around the world which takes up about 60-70% Non british born Londoners.

But to answer it giant cities are always melting pots anyway.

[Deleted]

Question. do you consider 2nd and 3rd generation non whites as immigrants? Or if we're talking about those born outside the UK we have to take to account a huge number of those are actually children of British armed forces members stationed around the world which takes up about 60-70% Non british born Londoners.

But to answer it giant cities are always melting pots anyway.

hahaha wow! Just wow!

[Snorkles]

Don't think it's in britains interest to activate article 50, prob best for us to sort all deals before we put a stopwatch on it.

We can't negotiate anything until we formally say we're leaving. That's the point of article 50.

[Ulmita]

They should just vote again and again till they decide to remain in the EU tbh.

Holy shit, its reached 2.6 M

More than 2.6 million people sign petition demanding second EU referendum

A petition on the parliament website calling for a rerun of the EU referendum has gathered more than 2.6 million signatures in just over 24 hours.This means the campaign has overtaken the 2007 Downing Street petition urging the Government to abandon plans for pay as you go road pricing which attracted 1.8 million signatures.

Such was the demand to sign the petition that the website crashed as a second petition, urging Sadiq Khan, London’s mayor, to declare the capital’s independence topped 100,000 signatures.

[PC2]

Holy shit, its reached 2.6 M

More than 2.6 million people sign petition demanding second EU referendum

2.6 million is not impressive considering the 16 million who voted remain.