Sturgeon is being too divisve at a time nation needs unity

[Deleted]

So, Scotland voted to stay with the UK primarily because of EU membership. Then the UK leaves the EU shortly after. Now Scotland is having talks of independence because they're no longer EU members despite voting to remain in the EU and the English are surprised the Scots are trying to leave?

/slowclap

Surprised? No. But what % actually voted purely for EU membership is my question

[nonameelf]

Surprised? No. But what % actually voted purely for EU membership is my question

I suppose we'll find out when they have their second vote for independence.

[Koyoti]

Mm. Though there's currently a petition for a second referendum for Brexit. One that will be debated in Parliament. That isn't how democracy works but apparently a lot of people will kick and scream until they get the result that they want.

Yeah. Unfortunately for them

A House of Commons spokeswoman said the petition was created on 24 May. There were 22 signatures on it at the time the referendum result was announced.

The fact that more than one and a half million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum has attracted a lot of attention - but it has zero chance of being enacted.
The main reason is that it is asking for retrospective legislation. It suggests another referendum is required because the winning side got less than 60% of the vote, and there was less than a 75% turnout.
You can have thresholds in referendums.
The 1979 referendum to set up a Scottish parliament failed because a clause was inserted in to the legislation requiring more than 40% of all eligible voters - not just those taking part - to agree to devolution before it took place.
But that clause came in advance - everyone was clear about the rules. You can't simply invent new hurdles if you are on the losing side.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36629324

[Shadowmelded]

No, there is no mandate. One can be created by having the SNP run on an independence ticket and winning in the next Scottish elections, as they did previously.

There is a mandate, the manifesto for the recent Holyrood elections mentioned this issue specifically.

let's also not forget that even if Scotland leaves and then tries to join the EU, Spain will just veto their application.

If Spain lets in a country that broke away from another EU member, they'll then have to let Catalonia secede from Spain, which they won't do.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304...and-joining-EU

[Deleted]

Why shouldn't they get a new referendum? Just because England and Wales were stupid enough to mostly vote Leave doesn't mean that Scotland has to let them drag it into the abyss as well.

[Hooked]

They should wait and see what happens to the EU before making any rash decisions. Without the uk being in the eu it changes the whole dynamics. I could see france leaving the EU next. Pretty soon it will just be germany with a bunch of poor european countries.

[Deleted]

It's funny that people are wanting Scotland to do the opposite of Northern Ireland.

Why shouldn't they get a new referendum? Just because England and Wales were stupid enough to mostly vote Leave doesn't mean that Scotland has to let them drag it into the abyss as well.

The United Kingdom voted to leave. Time for some facts.

England and Wales have a population of about 53 million. Scotland has 5 million. Only 12% of that wanted to stay.

Should all the other regions that wanted to stay have a vote for EU rule independence too.

[Stacyrect]

They should wait and see what happens to the EU before making any rash decisions. Without the uk being in the eu it changes the whole dynamics. I could see france leaving the EU next. Pretty soon it will just be germany with a bunch of poor european countries.

Pretty much this, except it will be more countries then just france imo. The UK's exit from the EU will likely be a catalyst in the coming months and years to remove the far left leadership at the helm in the EU. If their is a change of leadership, direction, policies, I could see countries staying put. Without that change, many will leave or attempt to leave.

[Brubear]

It's funny that people are wanting Scotland to do the opposite of Northern Ireland.



The United Kingdom voted to leave. Time for some facts.

England and Wales have a population of about 53 million. Scotland has 5 million. Only 12% of that wanted to stay.

Should all the other regions that wanted to stay have a vote for EU rule independence too.

If those other regions are more or less their own country (while they are all part of the UK, they're still not quite the same as the South East and East Midlands), then yes.

[Elegiac]

Should all the other regions that wanted to stay have a vote for EU rule independence too.

Depends on how massive of a hypocrite you want to appear as.

[Glnger]

You clearly don't understand the issue at all.

Scotland wants to be in the EU. Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain the EU. Scotland has been dragged out by England, very much against their wishes.

An independent Scotland can join the EU because that's their choice. They can then leave it later if they want, because it remains their choice. Scotland's major beef has always been that their desires are overruled by the England due to the population size differences, and this is a prime example of that in action. Anyone with an ounce of political nous knew a secondy Indyref was inevitable in the event of Brexit, and this time they will almost certainly leave.

McGuinness is already pushing for a united Ireland referendum now (Northern Ireland voted Remain), and it won't be long before those rumblings start in Wales too.

In 20 years the UK might be completely gone, with every member nation going it alone.

but...but.., atleast they got rid of the "immigrants"

[Elegiac]

Mm. Though there's currently a petition for a second referendum for Brexit. One that will be debated in Parliament. That isn't how democracy works but apparently a lot of people will kick and scream until they get the result that they want.

Again, this is largely because democracy doesn't work. From the standpoint of 'popular will', there is absolutely no clear mandate in 51% of under two quarters of the voting population saying 'Leave'.

If there is such merit in Brexit then you shouldn't have any issues scraping together a supermajority.

[PC2]

Again, this is largely because democracy doesn't work. From the standpoint of 'popular will', there is absolutely no clear mandate in 51% of under two quarters of the voting population saying 'Leave'.

If there is such merit in Brexit then you shouldn't have any issues scraping together a supermajority.

If Democracy doesn't work why do Democracies dominate the top 1/3rd of countries in social and economic prosperity?

[Elegiac]

If Democracy doesn't work why do Democracies dominate the top 1/3rd of countries in social and economic prosperity?

I should clarify I mean 'direct democracy' in this case.

[Nadiru]

I'm sure Momma Merkel will welcome an economic basket case with another, what, five million mouths to feed?

[Frozenbeef]

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"Image responses are not allowed"

Since when? http://www.mmo-champion.com/faq.php?...les_guidelines says nothing about that...

[Kalis]

"Image responses are not allowed"

Since when? http://www.mmo-champion.com/faq.php?...les_guidelines says nothing about that...

It is in the Off Topic rules section.

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[Deleted]

Ahah is this a joke?

[Tabrotar]

Oh please you brits are just scared that if scottland is leaving you´re going to loose those oil fields. That´s all what this : We should stand strong togehter is about.

[Frozenbeef]

It is in the Off Topic rules section.

But the image is neither a meme or an image macro.