So called Croydon cat killer strikes in Birmingham

[durrtygoodz]

Uh, plenty of feral cats make it 18 years with zero intervention from humans. What the fuck are you on about? You spent most of those 18 years letting the animal fend for itself(what you do every time you release it into the wild, AKA outside).

Lol @ fend for itself. Cats go outside to climb and socialise not live as a ravenous beast.

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No one is saying you can't take your cat on a walk. They make leash and harnesses for them, and some cats quite enjoy it. Many people also let them play outside in their own yard, again leashed and harnessed, or on some kind of long tether.

I'm also not American.

Well, you live in America, you're part of the culture. And a cat leash is the most new-age hipster American concept I've literally ever heard of.

[Santti]

No, it isn't. You letting them roam free is you shirking your responsibilities as a pet owner. The only reason they need to roam free is if your home environment isn't suitable for them, as you can read about in the article I linked several posts back. So either you're not caring for them properly or you don't care about them in the first place(as outdoor cats tend to live shorter lives than indoor cats). And again, they're listed on the 100 worst invasive species by the Invasive Species Specialist Group. Why do you think it's OK to contribute to that problem with your pet you can't be bothered to properly care for?

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Uh, plenty of feral cats make it 18 years with zero intervention from humans. What the fuck are you on about? You spent most of those 18 years letting the animal fend for itself(what you do every time you release it into the wild, AKA outside).

I agree with the invasive species part. That is unfortunate.

Rest of what you said is just pure bullshit (for example, you have no idea how old cats live, admit it) and you being an asshole. The cat spent most of it's time inside anyway.

I have no interest in discussing this with you any longer.

[Themius]

Cat populations do need to be thinned out but this is horrible. That person needs to be caught before they graduate to humans.

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I worded it a bit poorly. He put the remaining kittens in a bag and shot them with a shotgun in a nearby forest. I was only a toddler at the time and heard of it much later. I guess my father didn't really know what to do with the remaining kittens that weren't adopted by our neighbors.

Don't think it's normal in here, no.

Your father is an idiot..

[Kaleredar]

People that force their cats to always be indoors are horrible people and should not have pets.

You know what could very well happen to our cat if we let it outside where we live?



One of these would probably find it.

[Themius]

People that force their cats to always be indoors are horrible people and should not have pets.

People who let their cats roam are irresponsible fools...

[lucred]

As long as they have never BEEN outdoor cats, most will be happy as indoor pets. Once they have gotten a taste for the outdoors most cats I have seen will then ALWAYS want to go outside. It is not that they are not happy inside, there are just so many things to see/smell/chase outside that they will always want to spend time out there.
As long as they have been indoor cats their entire lives, MOST are perfectly content to remain inside, though my mom has one cat that always wanted to go outside even when it had never been before... this little psycho actually pushed out a screen in a window to get out the first time... Always acted like a happy cat, came back a few hours later, but definitely wants to spend SOME time outside.

[Deleted]

People who let their cats roam are irresponsible fools...

It's obviously a culture difference - outdoor cats are more common in the UK, indoor cats are usually exclusive to heavily urban areas so perhaps both sides can STFU about responsibility

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This is what the RSPCA thinks

http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/cats/environment/indoors

[PhilUK]

This is a serial killer in the making.

[Themius]

It's obviously a culture difference - outdoor cats are more common in the UK, indoor cats are usually exclusive to heavily urban areas so perhaps both sides can STFU about responsibility

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This is what the RSPCA thinks

http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwel...onment/indoors

We have large areas of the country that aren't urban where people have "barn cats" and outdoor cats.

It's stupid, cats are invasive and destroy the environment. Don't keep your little terror outside, end of story, walk it if you want but don't let it roam.

[Tabrotar]

So who decides that cats are an invasiv species hm? You little fuckers who hold them inside and take them for a walk like they´re fucking dogs? Cats are predators they hunt, everything that they cought is (just how it´s normal in nature) either too weak or to old. But behold the indoor assholes which will pretend that letting your cat roam free is a danger to "nature" because clearly a cat´s not part of nature.

[dbaum23]

I've had cats who didn't want to go outside. If you opened the door they'd run the other way to stay inside.

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We have large areas of the country that aren't urban where people have "barn cats" and outdoor cats.

It's stupid, cats are invasive and destroy the environment. Don't keep your little terror outside, end of story, walk it if you want but don't let it roam.

Then ban cats period. Anyway cats in the UK aren't a big problem

[Tabrotar]

It´s still nature. They´re acting on their instincts if they get food from the humans it´s all good but what if we sometimes don´t feed them? Should they starve and die then? Ofc not so they still need to hunt. And if something isn´t able to evade pradators it´s eaten it´s easy as this it´s as i already mentioned called nature. So no matter how you´re trying to evade the topic predators will hunt.

[Techno-Druid]

Bad dude and most likely fucked in the head.

But I still feel Humans > Animals. I'm bias like that.

What does that have to do with trying to stop this guy from murdering people's pets?

[Techno-Druid]

You know what could very well happen to our cat if we let it outside where we live?



One of these would probably find it.

I keep my cats inside. Too many foxes and raccoons in my area.

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So because you're a terrible cat owner who doesn't feed their cat regularly they should be allowed to roam feral destroying bird populations? Why are your cats more important than the birds that help spread fauna?

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If it's someone's pet it should be in their house, not roaming feral. If you let it roam feral you run the risk of the neighborhood sociopath doing their experiments on the small mammal.

There's a difference between free roaming and feral, a feral animal is a domestic animal that has essentially reverted to a wild animal and no longer rely or trust humans (if they ever did in the first place, because most feral animals are second generation and have never known a life with people).

Free-roaming pets are animals that have free-roam, but ultimately trust and depend on humans for survival.

[durrtygoodz]

People who let their cats roam are irresponsible fools...

Literally everyone who has disagreed with me so far live in America. W/e, keep crying over tiny kitty poops and ripping poor innocent claws out, just stay away from the rest of us normal people.

[Themius]

Literally everyone who has disagreed with me so far live in America. W/e, keep crying over tiny kitty poops and ripping poor innocent claws out, just stay away from the rest of us normal people.

What the fuck are you talking about "normal" Cats are an invasive species, they are responsible for so many bird deaths, and several species are endangered and extinct because of them. Cats shouldn't be outside it's not responsible.

[Collegeguy]

Dogs>Cats>Rats>Spiders>Humans >Ebola

Cats are cute, but trained dogs are funnier.

[Xkiller9000]

Dogs>Cats>Rats>Spiders>Humans >Ebola

youre messed up, spiders are below everything else imaginable

Cats > dogs

[Reklia]

I wasn't expecting this to turn into a hate topic for cats.

My cat has gone outside all her life. Happy or not I couldn't condemn a cat to staying indoors all their life. I couldn't deny a cat the fun and wonders of exploring nature. From when she was a kitten I've played with her regular, groomed her, fed her well and so on. With the fuss I give her she goes outside for about 5 hours a day and comes in of a night, though in the winter she stays in most of the day.

I do wonder about families that keep cats. I wonder if they are the type of cats who have a more vicious streak in them due to lack of attention. My cat doesn't bother with birds much unlike others in my area who seem more intent on their prey. I wont lie, my cat has killed roughly 4 in her 11 year life so far. I feed birds in return, and I admit you'll be thinking that sounds like a terrible idea with cats roaming doesn't it? I keep the feeders in small tree thats kept in check (and on a thin fence where cats couldn't run at birds or climb easily) with the area around it bare so the birds have a chance to get away. My feeders are the kind that catch most of the seed and the pigeons are the main culprit for cleaning it off the floor since they can't get at the feeders. Since I moved in a few years ago nobody fed birds. I can certainly see now a surge of them with quite a few nesting nearby.

But as someone mentioned in the thread earlier, prey that is caught is usually the weak and slow. It did sadden me when I found the corpses of birds but its just nature to me. A few years ago my grandmother developed a hatred for birds of prey because she witnessed a blackbird die from one. So it doesn't surprise me to see people hate on cats for doing their business in they garden, killing birds or scratching at things they own..

Whilst non cat owners would scoff at this if I saw another cat doing its business in my garden and I was too late to stop it I'd just accept it. However I could understand the frustration of someone who gets an abnormal amount of cats crapping and scraping plants. Whenever my cat wants to go out to poop or pee I encourage her to go out in our back garden, and to her credit usually does it there.

In short I don't agree at all with being called a terrible owner. There are however some people out there I believe who think a cat is just feed and let outside. I don't think of them as a pet, but a companion. After all, they say a cat owns you :P