We still don't know if he has his Valyrian horn n armor.Euron
How does his fleet of 1000 ships stand up to Daenerys when she has her act together and 3 dragons? I'm guessing his only job was to push Yara/Theon towards Daenerys for the teamup. Kind of a waste of an otherwise interesting character (book Euron that is)
Yeah, I would say her situation is... complex. She should know better by now not to trust Baelish. Not only for what he did to her by giving her to Ramsey, but also for what he did to Lysa, his own wife. However, she needs the Knights of the Vale. Therefore, she needs Baelish. Or Sweetrobin. So she cannot dispose of him yet.
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
Sansa would be nothing without LF, she should be grateful and hope that she will look like her mother.
I've been wondering about LF for some time now... What are his REAL motives? Is Sansa just a part of his game, or was he really SO in love with Cat, and now in Sansa since she is just like her, that he's ready to do anything for her?
Sansa is a part of his game. It's clear that he used her to get the Vale's army in the North. Giving her to wed Ramsey was a key in his plans to get the North. It gave the Vale a reason to go there and save Sansa from the Boltons who, according to LF, kidnapped her and forced her to wed Ramsey. It even gets him the order of the Crown to march against the felon Roose Bolton, who wed his heir to a suspected accomplice to regicide. She was pawn. That doesn't mean that he has no feelings for her, though. The problem is that this pawn is beginning to turn into a player...
LF gets himself tied in an ever more complex knot of lies and false alliances. I wonder when, if ever, it will blow up in his face.
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
Beyond simply being a personal attack; not worth responding to beyond this casual dismissal.
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I dunno, she's had a couple already. I don't know if she'd have an issue doing it if she knew she had the same "out" he did with Lysa.
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I agree. The implication that she's somehow better off by trading all of her family for power seems shortsighted at best. Especially since all that power was what her family possessed to begin with.
As mentioned before, I think there's a hard cap (so to speak) on his time remaining. Imagine him in his current position v. the WW? I just can't see that situation being tenable. His leadership and power style simply has no answer for them.
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You'd think so, but think it out: "Old Sansa" would marry only for the most naive romantic reasons. She'd have been horrified to end up with LF. Marriage was once and forever and must be the best-ever or it would be a disaster.
Current Sansa no longer cares about that. She's been in a political marriage with a man who was surprisingly kind despite how she was passively terrible to him. She was then in a political marriage with a man who was incredibly cruel despite how passively acquiescent she was to him. She no longer views marriage the same way. Given that LF ultimately did save her ass, I think she'll play into it if she gets what she's looking for: Relative stability, security, and the possibility of getting what she wants through manipulation.
I don't think she's holding out for a fairy tale any longer.
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LF not only started the mess by killing Jon Arryn, he told Ned he'd support him against Cersei then switched sides, leading directly to Ned's death. Sansa knows at least the former, and I highly doubt she wouldn't have heard the latter in her time in KL.
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In the show, Sansa actually does know about Lyssa and LF killing Jon Arryn. It happened right before he threw her out the moon door. It was one of the most important deviations from the books (where all of LF's machinations are a secret with the death of Lyssa), and never discussed.
When Sansa still defended him in front of the Vale bannermen, that's one of the places I started to think the quality of the show was flagging. I wrote it off to Sansa not being a big player in the game yet, but now that she is, and she has that info, it's never been brought back up once. Hopefully tonight in some sort of epic speech!
To be honest, I don't think the game of thrones will be much relevent for anyone once the WW cross the Wall. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the characters, all noble-born, will end up either dead or would have lost all their power on the people. No crown, no great castles. The WW would have been defeated, but there would not be any victor. The last picture of the show could be of a smallfolk (or even a main character) planting his hoe in the ground on the first days of Spring. That's my idea of the bittersweet ending Martin spoke of.
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
I doubt she heard anything about LF betraying Ned; LF wouldn't breathe a word of it near her, and no one present when it happened had any need or inclination to tell her.
While she does know about LF and Lysa killing Jon Arryn, she doesn't know about the letter Lysa sent to Cat, which was the main reason Ned decided to go to KL.
Since Jon's death can be ascribed to LF wanting to grab power in the Vale, I doubt she'll connect the dots. The only people who knew of it are all dead (except for LF ofc).