A second referendum.....

[Deleted]

Heck several countries DO hold annual referendums.

On the same subject that affects the world?

[Deleted]

If there is another referendum, I'm actually going to vote this time, and vote to leave just to spite all these babies complaining.

It is tragic that the future of the country is vested on people like you. Absolutely tragic.

[Deleted]

Rubbish. They voted leave because they don't like immigration. It was the 100% driving factor of the leave vote. Older voters are much less tolerant of diversity and they see large scale migration as an attack on them and their values. Just as its true for republican voters in the US.

Problem is, the amount of inward migration will not change as freedom of movement is part and parcel of the laws governing the single EU market. So these intolerant older voters were sold a false bill of goods.

It wasn't 100%

[Calaba]

Problem is, the amount of inward migration will not change as freedom of movement is part and parcel of the laws governing the single EU market. So these intolerant older voters were sold a false bill of goods.

Yeh... no. Freedom of movement is finished. No political party is getting a mandate saying otherwise.

[Vyxn]

Easier said than done atm as you are probably aware because of our imigrant hating brethren I doubt we would be made welcome in other countries at this time.

if you accept the culture and values from which you migrate too and not expect them to change to your culture

[Vyxn]

Well no. Honestly I don't think any country should hold a referendum on something this crucial if there is not confidence that the results will have a clear margin. Anything else does not feel politically responsible to me. Why remind the people how divided they are?

so why have elections at all because you know the ignorant masses just aren't intelligent enough to make any decisions on their own us educated elitist need to make all the discussions for them

[Calaba]

With no freedom of movement there is no inclusion in the EEA (which I guess is better since leaving the EU just to be shackled with all the limitations and none of the voting power would be the height of folly). Which leaves with every trade agreement being individually negotiated.

Doesn't matter. With the public sentiment towards mass immigration the way it is at present, no politician is going to be able to sneak that one through and still manage to have their head attached to their shoulders.

[Mister Cheese]

They voted to leave. That's how democracy works. Now a bunch of crybabies want them to vote again? Are they kidding? It will never be good enough. Because if they vote again, more people will vote, and it probably won't go the other way around. There's no point.

[Vyxn]

You have elections because you know that in representative democracy the stability and inherent inertia of the system will most likely overpower any political outcome. Meanwhile you can dump all the responsibility of political decisions to the people because every few years they vote!


Seriously, do I need to explain this

Also this has nothing to do with intelligence or education. It has to do with power and the will to maintain it.

No you explained it clear enough

you don't think the ignorant masses should make decisions on their own they are just not intelligent enough to do so. you progressive elitist think because you feel they don't have the intelligence to make proper decisions and choices you need to do it for them

[Zan15]

this so much this.... people voted it wasn't what you wanted oh well... move or deal with it.

you mean like the 22 votes on obamacare after it passed.
or the hundreds on abortion

or the etc etc etc

its how a democracy works.

[Xargoth6634]

Unfortunately that seems common in today's politics

Scotland voted IN regarding UK
2 years later Scotland wants ANOTHER referendum

UK voted OUT regarding EU
2 days later IN crowd want ANOTHER referendum

To be fair those are two different situations. Nothing has effectively changed in the UK/EU vote other than the realization among some Brits who thought remain would win regardless about the potential consequences of the vote. Scotland has (IMO) every right to consider another referendum since they voted to stay in the EU and the UK is dragging them out. That's hardly flip flopping or just waking up one day and demanding another vote. I wouldn't be surprised if another Scottish vote had a far different result this time around.

[alexw]

Yeh... no. Freedom of movement is finished. No political party is getting a mandate saying otherwise.

Right so you want the UK to exit the European single market and the en mass relocation of global corporates to Germany, France, etc? Its one or the other. Either the UK has control of migration policy, or it has the single market. It cannot have both.

[Tempguy]

A second would be hilarious and I would honestly see it as proof that the UK has a shit govt.

When you lose a vote, and then call for a re vote on that alone, it's dumb. If there was some kind of fraud then yeah go for it , but "because we didn't like that we lost" is asinine as shit.

It would also set precedence. Don't like that someone got elected ? Just point to the act that do overs are cool. And don't get me started on what happens if remain wins.

Will the exited get a do over too? Or does it only apply when it's "your side" that lost?

[Trassk]

Proof please?

How about all the millennials bad mouthing the older generation, despite said millennials never having lived though anything of importance before.

[Rennadrel]

Anyone who has a problem with the referendum that was just held and didn't vote, is in no position to complain about the results. Honestly, it is that simple. The vote was held, the ballots cast and the vote for leaving the EU won the referendum. If you didn't vote, don't bitch and complain because you don't like the results, do your civic duty and vote just so that you can say you supported a side, so that win or lose, at least your opinion is heard.

[Tempguy]

Anyone who has a problem with the referendum that was just held and didn't vote, is in no position to complain about the results. Honestly, it is that simple. The vote was held, the ballots cast and the vote for leaving the EU won the referendum. If you didn't vote, don't bitch and complain because you don't like the results, do your civic duty and vote just so that you can say you supported a side, so that win or lose, at least your opinion is heard.

I don't get it. Why wouldn't / didn't they vote? A vote like this is the stuff americans dream if when they think democracy. A direct vote where your vote actually matters.

In America, let's face it, unless you are an independent in a swing state, you don't matter. I live in Texas. You think me voting for Hillary will make any difference? Not a chance in hell.

But a major election that decides your nations future where every individual vote counts? If Washington were to direct a porno, this would be the premise. After the ballots are counted, you'd have a close vote and that would be considered the money shot.

Anyone who did not vote honestly should feel ashamed of themselves. Its the type of stupid along the lines of asking pedo to babysit.

[Deleted]

I don't get it. Why wouldn't / didn't they vote? A vote like this is the stuff americans dream if when they think democracy. A direct vote where your vote actually matters.

In America, let's face it, unless you are an independent in a swing state, you don't matter. I live in Texas. You think me voting for Hillary will make any difference? Not a chance in hell.

But a major election that decides your nations future where every individual vote counts? If Washington were to direct a porno, this would be the premise. After the ballots are counted, you'd have a close vote and that would be considered the money shot.

Anyone who did not vote honestly should feel ashamed of themselves. Its the type of stupid along the lines of asking pedo to babysit.

They were 2 million votes apart. My vote didn't matter.

[Tempguy]

They were 2 million votes apart. My vote didn't matter.

How many young people did not vote? Saying your vote didn't matter cause you lost is ignorant.

I bet it's more than 2 million. Their votes did matter. As proven by the fact that they would have stopped this had they voted. But they didn't.

Compare that to America where someone can win the popular vote, but lose an election via delegates.

[Rennadrel]

They were 2 million votes apart. My vote didn't matter.

Had 2 million people voted then, the staying side would have won. The wonderful thing about democracy is that the side that gets the most votes wins, you can't do another vote just because you were apathetic and didn't bother to fucking vote, democracy doesn't work that way. I wish more laws were voted on through referendums in this world, I am sure that being a Canadian, we probably wouldn't be getting taxed out our assholes while our government wastes our taxes on housing and feeding Syrian refugees in 4 star hotels while our veterans are committing suicide and living on the streets.

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How many young people did not vote? Saying your vote didn't matter cause you lost is ignorant.

I bet it's more than 2 million. Their votes did matter. As proven by the fact that they would have stopped this had they voted. But they didn't.

Compare that to America where someone can win the popular vote, but lose an election via delegates.

The American electoral system needs all kinds of reform. It's been the same broken nonsense for generations and doesn't completely represent the population effectively at the federal level.

[Army Dreamer]

A second referendum.....

Because that's how democracy works. If we don't like the results we just re-vote.